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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:26 am

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Theft can be understood as a result of harsh capitalism, rape and murder cannot. (Most murderers know their victims and plan for it out of many different reasons: Jealousy, hate, greed)

Kenzu. Please. Do NOT make me laugh insanely for my own benefit. The reason WHY most rapes and murders happen is because of the fucking society those people are forced to live in. They are not educated enough to seek an more peaceful alternative way, thus they resort to basic human instinct within an evil society. And what is that?

I'll give you a hint. Cho and his 22 pistol did NOT just murder over 30 students for the "hell" of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:33 am

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Kenzu wrote:

Theft can be understood as a result of harsh capitalism, rape and murder cannot. (Most murderers know their victims and plan for it out of many different reasons: Jealousy, hate, greed)

Kenzu. Please. Do NOT make me laugh insanely for my own benefit. The reason WHY most rapes and murders happen is because of the fucking society those people are forced to live in. They are not educated enough to seek an more peaceful alternative way, thus they resort to basic human instinct within an evil society. And what is that?

I'll give you a hint. Cho and his 22 pistol did NOT just murder over 30 students for the "hell" of it.


Before this becomes an OFF-Topic mayhem, I propose we move this post to either politics, Red Square or Real Life Issues (I have some personal experience to share about this) to discuss it more broadly.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:13 am

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Kenzu wrote:

Theft can be understood as a result of harsh capitalism, rape and murder cannot. (Most murderers know their victims and plan for it out of many different reasons: Jealousy, hate, greed)

Kenzu. Please. Do NOT make me laugh insanely for my own benefit. The reason WHY most rapes and murders happen is because of the fucking society those people are forced to live in. They are not educated enough to seek an more peaceful alternative way, thus they resort to basic human instinct within an evil society. And what is that?

I'll give you a hint. Cho and his 22 pistol did NOT just murder over 30 students for the "hell" of it.
Yes, it is called a Psychological disorder.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:44 am

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I'll give you a hint. Cho and his 22 pistol did NOT just murder over 30 students for the "hell" of it.

No...but it's not like Capitalism did it. You realize most kids who want to do school shootings and/or actually do them, are either 1. Having a serious mental issue or 2. Being bullied severly by the students they kill.

No idealogy can fix mental issues, and Capitalism has institutes and counciling for it, which would be active in any other government.

Capitalism doesn't cause kids to be assholes, you think if Communism/Anarchism comes everyone will automatically change and be a loving warm family? No...If you do, prove it. Theres not going to be a massive "Mood Change", and their will definately still be bullies in schools. That's something that is just unavoidable.

Anyway...explain how Capitalism has anything to do with school shootings?! Theirs little to no resemblance, and if their is, its in communistic ideals and anarchist ideals also.

And don't you dare say it's because Capitalism allows weapons. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:01 am

Rename wrote:
Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
I'll give you a hint. Cho and his 22 pistol did NOT just murder over 30 students for the "hell" of it.

No...but it's not like Capitalism did it. You realize most kids who want to do school shootings and/or actually do them, are either 1. Having a serious mental issue or 2. Being bullied severly by the students they kill.

No idealogy can fix mental issues, and Capitalism has institutes and counciling for it, which would be active in any other government.

Capitalism doesn't cause kids to be assholes, you think if Communism/Anarchism comes everyone will automatically change and be a loving warm family? No...If you do, prove it. Theres not going to be a massive "Mood Change", and their will definately still be bullies in schools. That's something that is just unavoidable.

Anyway...explain how Capitalism has anything to do with school shootings?! Theirs little to no resemblance, and if their is, its in communistic ideals and anarchist ideals also.

And don't you dare say it's because Capitalism allows weapons. Rolling Eyes


Guns are so extreme, a good ol' punch in the face always gets some pleasure/respect. Normally when a bullied beat up his bully he gets a tremendous amount of respect in a short timespan

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:07 am

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Guns are so extreme, a good ol' punch in the face always gets some pleasure/respect. Normally when a bullied beat up his bully he gets a tremendous amount of respect in a short timespan

Apparentely you haven't really studied a lot of the school shooters, most of them are weak as can be, extremely quiet and passive, or just plain unconfident. these people won't fight back, until its too late and they have lost control. I.E. school shooting
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:42 pm

Well, if the capitalist system actually had a fucking workable "great free society" as most supporters put it, then school shootings such as V Tech wouldn't have happened, right?

And of COURSE school shooters are as "weak as they can get". But I've have rarely ever seen the question asked, "What caused him/her to do this tragedy"? For a person to say that murders/rapes/whatever happens for a "whatever bs reason here" is a bit sidelining the question or perhaps ignoring it.

And capitalism causes all these problems simply because they do NOT address the ROOTS of all problems. It's like a weed per say, you cut down to the trim, it will still grow back. But if you put it from the roots, then it is completely gone.

And of course, in capitalism, it basically requires everybody to become a brainwashed member of society, thinking that they themselves can not change it (and "electing" a supreme leader to fk it all up for them of course). Get an education (more like notes crammed into your head), get a diploma (again, a piece of paper with ink written on it), and make a name for yourself (that is, if you don't kill yourself while trying to reach that goal, which of course, doesn't exist). All this makes for a stressful and non-caring society, because people like us HVE NO TIME to think and respect others.

See now? Or is it too hard to correlate the two?

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:44 pm

Rename wrote:


weak as can be, extremely quiet and passive,

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reminds me of me Sad

but I would never do something like that.

plus I have friends, unlike those people.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:14 pm

Strange fascination with "roots". Sometimes things don't have a "reason". Rape is a good one. Well, not a reason we're going to change anytime soon.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:17 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
Strange fascination with "roots". Sometimes things don't have a "reason". Rape is a good one. Well, not a reason we're going to change anytime soon.

That's what is called "radicalism".

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:28 pm

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Sometimes things don't have a "reason". Rape is a good one.

Orly? You honestly think that rapists just rape others for the hell of it? Or maybe it's because they naturally are rapists from birth? Of course, I'm making a wild accusation here against you for the heck of it. Well, looking at the majority of crimes, they all have an origin. Rape is not an expection.

And yeah, I do admit, while I don't know yet how or why rapes happen, I do how why murders/robbery/property destruction happen. I'm gonna have to hold back and let a qualified person answer this one.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:57 pm

Murders are, manyt imes, another one. There is no "root", like you guys are talking about. In many cases it's, as has been said here many times, mental illness. Or anger itself, like finding a spouce with another.

And yes, I do think some rape just for the hell of it. Because they do. Others get off on it. Some loose control. But it's nothing like, "he's poor so he has to steal/selld rugs/kill people". A man's desire to rape has nothing to do with society. If ANYTHING, it has to do with the woman. You can't rape the willing. (Bad joke, I know.)

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:17 pm

its all about the environment.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:13 pm

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
Well, if the capitalist system actually had a fucking workable "great free society" as most supporters put it, then school shootings such as V Tech wouldn't have happened, right?
How would a "great, free society" end bullying and kids acting like assholes? as i already pointed out in-depth in my other post, people don't just automatically become drones and happy when a government change occurs.

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
And of COURSE school shooters are as "weak as they can get". But I've have rarely ever seen the question asked, "What caused him/her to do this tragedy"? For a person to say that murders/rapes/whatever happens for a "whatever bs reason here" is a bit sidelining the question or perhaps ignoring it.
I've heard that question asked before, most just say their lunatics, I, on the other hand, have my own philosophy for it. And yet you acknowledge your reason as not BS, "capitalism did it!" So explain how yours is not BS, while everyone elses is BS, hmm?

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
And capitalism causes all these problems simply because they do NOT address the ROOTS of all problems. It's like a weed per say, you cut down to the trim, it will still grow back. But if you put it from the roots, then it is completely gone.
The roots are? That kids are assholes and have a pleasure of messing with someone else? I have first-hand experience being a bully, i used to pick on kids all the time, so throw at me what you can to try to make this argument at least somewhat valid. What are the roots you are talking about, you explained what roots are but not what the roots in this situation are.

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
And of course, in capitalism, it basically requires everybody to become a brainwashed member of society, thinking that they themselves can not change it (and "electing" a supreme leader to fk it all up for them of course). Get an education (more like notes crammed into your head), get a diploma (again, a piece of paper with ink written on it), and make a name for yourself (that is, if you don't kill yourself while trying to reach that goal, which of course, doesn't exist). All this makes for a stressful and non-caring society, because people like us HVE NO TIME to think and respect others.

1. Agh..i have the perfect chance right now after reading this quote to totally bash communistic ideals and historic attempts at marxist socialism, but ill save that for another topic later so we keep it on topic...
2. This is totally off-topic, what does any of this have to do with school bullying and shootings? Because capitalism makes it so your brainwashed, and they have no point in life so they kill each other? Thats all i am interpreting.

But seriously, you need to put this post somewhere else so i can debate communism vs capitalism over that last quote.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:23 pm

Was nobody on this site bullied at school? There's no reason needed beyond being different from the bully. Liking somehitng a little too much? Video games, dinosaurs. BUllied. Liking something out of the norm or from somewhere different? Anime. Bullied. Being diferent? Fat. Bullied. Fight back? His freinds break bones. Tell the teacher? Everyone bullies. I mean, come on, does no one have any experience on either side of this? Rename, that's it, I guess.

By the way, you're an asshole for that.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:34 pm

lol you're blaming murder on capitalism?
sorry but what?
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:38 am

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Rename, that's it, I guess. By the way, you're an asshole for that.

You really didn't need to point that out..but yeah, i think its alittle obvious i implied myself as a bully and i called bullies assholes numerous times. You do the math.

But make sure you differentiate the past and present..
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:50 am

Oh, sorry.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:19 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
Was nobody on this site bullied at school? There's no reason needed beyond being different from the bully. Liking somehitng a little too much? Video games, dinosaurs. BUllied. Liking something out of the norm or from somewhere different? Anime. Bullied. Being diferent? Fat. Bullied. Fight back? His freinds break bones. Tell the teacher? Everyone bullies. I mean, come on, does no one have any experience on either side of this? Rename, that's it, I guess.

By the way, you're an asshole for that.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:38 am

Hoxhaist wrote:
i bully everyone at my school and i like it
getting your revenge for that spelling bee aye?

bullyings bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:52 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
Kenzu wrote:

Theft can be understood as a result of harsh capitalism, rape and murder cannot. (Most murderers know their victims and plan for it out of many different reasons: Jealousy, hate, greed)

Kenzu. Please. Do NOT make me laugh insanely for my own benefit. The reason WHY most rapes and murders happen is because of the fucking society those people are forced to live in. They are not educated enough to seek an more peaceful alternative way, thus they resort to basic human instinct within an evil society. And what is that?

I'll give you a hint. Cho and his 22 pistol did NOT just murder over 30 students for the "hell" of it.

What you are giving me is indeed a murder which resulted from a problematic school system, HOWEVER most murders happen with people that know each other very well. Of course some happen because of capitalism and a bad society, but many happen because of the very nature of people who get angry easily and are controlled by jealousy.

And rape is something that even socialism cannot do much about. Higher security will not do much change. Most women raped aren't raped by strangers, but by their exboyfriends and current friends\boyfriends. Rape with strangers accounts to something like 3% of all cases.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:29 am

And it certainly won't stop child rape. Child pornography? Maybe, since it's not profitabe, but there would still be such. And the rapes themselves.

Statistically a child is safer alone on a subway than alone in a church.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:33 am

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
And it certainly won't stop child rape. Child pornography? Maybe, since it's not profitabe, but there would still be such. And the rapes themselves.

Statistically a child is safer alone on a subway than alone in a church.
I'd like too see those statistics (not being pro-religious just this seems absurd to me).
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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:21 am

Liche wrote:

I'd like too see those statistics (not being pro-religious just this seems absurd to me).

I completelly concur with Tyrong-Kojy. To prove his point it would be as simple as contrasting the ammount of kids raped in metro stations versus the amount of kids raped in churches.

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PostSubject: Re: Murder   Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:26 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Liche wrote:

I'd like too see those statistics (not being pro-religious just this seems absurd to me).

I completelly concur with Tyrong-Kojy. To prove his point it would be as simple as contrasting the ammount of kids raped in metro stations versus the amount of kids raped in churches.
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