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PostSubject: The media should never be private   Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:07 am

Case and point
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1935 Hearst publication showing pictures taken prior to 1930. Notice claim that "reporter risked life to get photographs"
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Hearst with Nazi officers
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:33 pm

they are saying 6 million die in faneime in the 40s' we KNOW
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:38 am

mattabesta wrote:
they are saying 6 million die in faneime in the 40s' we KNOW

lol

who cares its important!
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:26 pm

why is this topic named"The media should never be private"?
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:57 am

mattabesta wrote:
why is this topic named"The media should never be private"?

Because the pictures are a case and point of why the media should never be private.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:12 pm

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
why is this topic named"The media should never be private"?

Because the pictures are a case and point of why the media should never be private.
they are seaprete pictures of natzi officers and a newspaper.
how is that a case?
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:25 am

I think he's saying Hearst is a hypocrite for criticizing the Soviets and then meeting up with Nazi officers, but that picture might have been taken before people knew about the Holocaust.

Not sure why he says private newspapers are bad though.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:42 am

carmen510 wrote:
I think he's saying Hearst is a hypocrite for criticizing the Soviets and then meeting up with Nazi officers, but that picture might have been taken before people knew about the Holocaust.

Not sure why he says private newspapers are bad though.

The point is that Hearst, who published the paper which highly played up the famine printed it because he was a Nazi sympathizer.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:01 am

oligarch wrote:
carmen510 wrote:
I think he's saying Hearst is a hypocrite for criticizing the Soviets and then meeting up with Nazi officers, but that picture might have been taken before people knew about the Holocaust.

Not sure why he says private newspapers are bad though.

The point is that Hearst, who published the paper which highly played up the famine printed it because he was a Nazi sympathizer.
the nazis didn't come to power till 33 so the holocust hadnīt begun and pepole didnīt know how seirius they were
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:47 am

oligarch from what i know your a pretty smart person and you should know that if the media do not have a private side the state will be free to post propaganda and tell that everything is alright when its going down the drain. when there is no private media then whats the freaking point of free speech? take away the private media and people will revolt be sure of that
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:35 am

Ryom wrote:
oligarch from what i know your a pretty smart person and you should know that if the media do not have a private side the state will be free to post propaganda and tell that everything is alright when its going down the drain. when there is no private media then whats the freaking point of free speech? take away the private media and people will revolt be sure of that

I don't suggest a completely state run media but rather a democratized media and this private newspaper which was considered a perfectly credible source of information during its time was clearly Nazi propaganda as you can see. Fox news is another case and point.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:46 am

I support a PUBLIC media and the workers would run it democraticly i. e. workplace dmeocracy
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:39 am

Public and private media is still going to be biased, most 'public' stations are run by the government, with the only exception I know of in American television is PBS, and private stations are self-explanatory.

Besides, its fun to see how badly each station can screw up, case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrpaCOb_BGk

I believe that in the future, the news will move towards the web, which should result in some nice variety in opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:57 am

carmen510 wrote:
Public and private media is still going to be biased, most 'public' stations are run by the government, with the only exception I know of in American television is PBS, and private stations are self-explanatory.

Besides, its fun to see how badly each station can screw up, case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrpaCOb_BGk

I believe that in the future, the news will move towards the web, which should result in some nice variety in opinions.
But at least they are not forced into silence.. The current system needs people to make up their own minds not the Government.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:00 pm

it's true the news is moving to the web.
in most countryes free papers are much more popular than others.


anyone know were googel gets it's rvenue from?
advretising is booming on the interwebs.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:43 am

Well, do you think Americans make choices for themselves if they only have two political parties, and Russia who actually doesn't really want to choose leaders, Russian people actually don't mind who's leading the country, as long as their world isn't falling around them.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:39 am

carmen510 wrote:
Well, do you think Americans make choices for themselves if they only have two political parties, and Russia who actually doesn't really want to choose leaders, Russian people actually don't mind who's leading the country, as long as their world isn't falling around them.
2 parties that are the same aren't as bad as 20 that are the same and fight because they think they are different.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:38 pm

Diogritor wrote:
carmen510 wrote:
Well, do you think Americans make choices for themselves if they only have two political parties, and Russia who actually doesn't really want to choose leaders, Russian people actually don't mind who's leading the country, as long as their world isn't falling around them.
2 parties that are the same aren't as bad as 20 that are the same and fight because they think they are different.
I agree.

there is a problem here in iceland.
we have a coalition goverment (never had one thayt wasnīt)with 75% support and the media can't critazise it becuse it isn't donig anthing wrong. show wich used to profit from scandals and mistakes are being canselled:cry: (theyer funny I tell ya).

even wores we've had 4majors in 2 years and nobady want's to work with someone who stabbes his back.

anway there is nothing worese than fake democracy
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:01 am

Although I do agree that the scenario you describe is true, there are many minority parties in the United States that haven't been noticed because nobody has heard of them.

I think the United States should have the same amount of parties as in France, 5 main ones. Then there is truly a choice, not vote for the lesser evil.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:25 am

carmen510 wrote:
Although I do agree that the scenario you describe is true, there are many minority parties in the United States that haven't been noticed because nobody has heard of them.

I think the United States should have the same amount of parties as in France, 5 main ones. Then there is truly a choice, not vote for the lesser evil.
They fail in the US because noone in the US will vote for a Communist...or nader
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:16 am

Diogritor wrote:
carmen510 wrote:
Although I do agree that the scenario you describe is true, there are many minority parties in the United States that haven't been noticed because nobody has heard of them.

I think the United States should have the same amount of parties as in France, 5 main ones. Then there is truly a choice, not vote for the lesser evil.
They fail in the US because noone in the US will vote for a Communist...or nader

A few smart people do but ultimately the American people fail at contolling their own political destiny.
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:38 pm

I think there should be private and state-owned media, but then there have to be strong trade unions, which will prevent the director to grab all the profits. He must share them with the employees!
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:25 am

Kenzu wrote:
I think there should be private and state-owned media, but then there have to be strong trade unions, which will prevent the director to grab all the profits. He must share them with the employees!

the director dosen't take the money the owners better know as the pepole
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:57 am

Diogritor wrote:
carmen510 wrote:
Although I do agree that the scenario you describe is true, there are many minority parties in the United States that haven't been noticed because nobody has heard of them.

I think the United States should have the same amount of parties as in France, 5 main ones. Then there is truly a choice, not vote for the lesser evil.
They fail in the US because noone in the US will vote for a Communist...or nader
lol Raulph Nader, my did said he voted for him in the 2000 election. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: The media should never be private   Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:00 am

I would debate - a free media on the side of being able to spout whatever it wants, Can provide optimal criticism, and can be a source of advices for improvement.
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