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PostSubject: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:23 am

I believe the power of the economy should rest in the hands of Trade Unions, who better knows to manage the work force than the workers them selves, they can address problems, and regulate how much the average salary is. The salary should be the same for every body, except some get extra depending on the quality and quantity of there work.

I however dont think that the government should be run by Trade unions, because, since when do Factory workers rule countries? (not saying a factory worker cant rule the country, but if youve dedicated your life to politics, I dont see you working in a factory.)
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:50 am

Screw the syndicalists, join our glorious kommunist party.
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:50 am

Liche wrote:
I believe the power of the economy should rest in the hands of Trade Unions, who better knows to manage the work force than the workers them selves, they can address problems, and regulate how much the average salary is. The salary should be the same for every body, except some get extra depending on the quality and quantity of there work.

I however dont think that the government should be run by Trade unions, because, since when do Factory workers rule countries? (not saying a factory worker cant rule the country, but if youve dedicated your life to politics, I dont see you working in a factory.)

To be fair to Liche, this sounds Syndicalistic. It's not revolutionary in any sense, but, then, Syndicalism doesn't have to be a revolutionary thing - that's what the Anarcho- qualifier makes it.

I think it is on this point, the fact that you do not want government to be run by trade unions, that separates you - a Syndicalist, I am willing to admit - from an Anarcho-Syndicalist. As it is right now, the Union - as in the group here, not an actual trade union - is intended for Anarcho-Syndicalists. I would have to say that if Alek, Kenzu, or Zealot would like to make the Anarcho-Syndicalist Union into just the Syndicalist Union, then you should join it. But as it is an Anarcho-Syndicalist group, and as you have admitted that you are a Monarchist - which is far from an Anarchist ideology - I don't know why you would even want to join the Union.

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On a more personal note, I think that the Union is kind of silly: we already have an Anarchist group. Having a group dedicated to a particular type of Anarchists, as well as a large group just for all Anarchists of all stripes, just begs for my plurality. Soon we'll need a group for the AnComs, the Mutualists, the AnCollectivists, etc. I think that the Union may be a little much, but that's just my view of it. Maybe we should just make it into a Syndicalist group?
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:01 pm

I said Im not a Monarchist :O

and thats what Ive been trying to say, theres no point in having an anarcho syndicalist union and a group for anarchists.
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:34 am

Liche wrote:
I said Im not a Monarchist :O

and thats what Ive been trying to say, theres no point in having an anarcho syndicalist union and a group for anarchists.

It was made by anarcho-syndicalists for anarcho-syndicalists. HOWEVER i did post a thread within the union so we can decide for ourselves... if the name is changed i will admit you to the union, no questions asked.

fair?
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:31 pm

Liche wrote:
Monarchial Democracy FTW!
joke?

Liche wrote:
But, Capitalism dosent fail, that is the lie.
uhh what?
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:44 pm

beatnikzach wrote:

Liche wrote:
But, Capitalism dosent fail, that is the lie.
uhh what?

Now this is strong.

However, since he believes in State and Syndicalism... why not syndicalism in a capitalist context?

In which case, I really think Syndicalists should definitely break with their capitalist counterparts, they're as much a stain for Syndicalism as Stalinism for communism.

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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:46 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
beatnikzach wrote:

Liche wrote:
But, Capitalism dosent fail, that is the lie.
uhh what?

Now this is strong.

However, since he believes in State and Syndicalism... why not syndicalism in a capitalist context?

In which case, I really think Syndicalists should definitely break with their capitalist counterparts, they're as much a stain for Syndicalism as Stalinism for communism.
but syndicalism in a capitalist context is corporatism...
see fascism.
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:06 pm

beatnikzach wrote:

but syndicalism in a capitalist context is corporatism...
see fascism.


Ah, yeah! Right Smile

Then I guess everything's clear Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:42 pm

Just because I acknowledge something fails dosent mean I follow, or support it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:27 pm

Liche wrote:
Just because I acknowledge something fails dosent mean I follow, or support it.
well, by all means corporatism worked pretty damn well in mexico and italy.
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:30 pm

beatnikzach wrote:
Liche wrote:
Just because I acknowledge something fails dosent mean I follow, or support it.
well, by all means corporatism worked pretty damn well in mexico and italy.
It works much in the US.
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:59 pm

Liche wrote:
beatnikzach wrote:
Liche wrote:
Just because I acknowledge something fails dosent mean I follow, or support it.
well, by all means corporatism worked pretty damn well in mexico and italy.
It works much in the US.
do you know what corporatism means liche?
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PostSubject: Re: Sorry, I was kicked out of the Syndicalist Union so   Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:44 pm

beatnikzach wrote:
Liche wrote:
beatnikzach wrote:
Liche wrote:
Just because I acknowledge something fails dosent mean I follow, or support it.
well, by all means corporatism worked pretty damn well in mexico and italy.
It works much in the US.
do you know what corporatism means liche?
Where the main part of the society is the Company instead of individuals. (the main idea)

(and its usually fascist)
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