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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:26 pm

i suggest spanish republican flag today since its the 14 april and i think everyone here support the 2nd spanish republic. exept for hutin and jesus ofcourse.
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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:44 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
Spore needs either some MAJOR expansions, or better yet patches, or a sequel. It has a LOT of issues.

Spore Galactic Adventures
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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:47 pm

zealot here you go


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g30/Kenzu1987/SWR-FLAG-50.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:48 pm

yay

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:25 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Hell, seemingly some De Leonists argue that Lenin actually introduced capitalism in the USSR intentionally (or forcibly at least) so the proletariat could develop within the nearly feudal Russia and that he intended this capitalism to be controlled by the state so it could be then lead into communism and taht he chose to call "socialism" that period of state capitalism controlled by commies. That way, the underdeveloped Russia would develop into a world superpower first, its people would develop culturally and scientifically and Russia would be ripen from feudal nation into a socialist one being the whole capitalist phase controlled by revolutionaires.

Like saying "Russia will sooner or later become capitalist and has to be, let it be us socialists who make it capitalist and make this step as quick as possible instead of the bourgeoise. When it's ripe and workers are knowledgeable and skilled, awareness will be promoted by all infomation sources within our State capitalist country and socialism will be established".

In a very Russian context the whole idea makes sense if one believes that the first step for industrialization is necesarily capitalism or that socialism requires capitalism first and that Russia hardly qualified as a capitalist nation, or at least as an industrialized and developed enough one given Russia's material conditions by the time. Makes sense, doesn't mean it's right or workable.


But my whole point is that actually, if Lenin really had something like that in his mind, it could have worked and happened that way had the State been composed of socialists and not opportunists. This would drive us back to the "workability of vanguard" discussion. Either way, this possibly Leninist notion is by now outdated in most of the world since material conditions are already ripe in most of it.

I disagree with the position (whether it was Lenin's or not) that capitalism must preceed communism, because i don't think that position can be reconciled with our nature. I won't go into depth about that here, but i'm not averse to having this discussion. It's an intriguing topic.

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Well, i'm not against the motherland, i'm against the people who are in charge, and the way that kind of social order permeates the culture and the ethics of the population (i mean, what kind of people have we become if we allow wars like in Afghanistan [for both Russia and US] or the ones that obliterated Indochina, or any other number of atrocious wars committed by statist, imperialist regimes).

Well when the people doesn't oppose or supports things like wars and such is mostly due to ruling class manipulation of information and material conditons.

This is my point. If this happens often enough, as it has in the US, people become disinterested in human rights, and more interested in a patriotic agenda, which the state, the mass media and big business push quite easily here. I don't think it's a conscious decision to disregard brothers and sisters around the globe, but it is certainly happening by way of subversive tactics.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:46 pm

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I disagree with the position (whether it was Lenin's or not) that capitalism must preceed communism, because i don't think that position can be reconciled with our nature. I won't go into depth about that here, but i'm not averse to having this discussion. It's an intriguing topic.


I disagree with it too. Their arguement tends to be that industrialization and a strong proletariat come from the existance of capitalism. For me industrialization is merely a product of applied technical knowledge to nature's exploitation.

They say that Russia's material conditions were not ripe fora revolution making alusion for example to the fact that a broad majority of Russia's population were illiterate thus being limited to achieve the necesary level of awareness.

However, my point with all that is that USSR has been the capitalist context with better chances to become a strong socialist community.

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This is my point. If this happens often enough, as it has in the US, people become disinterested in human rights, and more interested in a patriotic agenda, which the state, the mass media and big business push quite easily here. I don't think it's a conscious decision to disregard brothers and sisters around the globe, but it is certainly happening by way of subversive tactics.

I contend that patriotism understood purely as "love for what you consider your nation" should not imply imperialism, chauvinism or xenophobia and should actually makle you understand other patriots' positions in regards to their countries leading to a non-beligerent position form your part.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:09 pm

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Tyrong Kojy wrote:
Spore needs either some MAJOR expansions, or better yet patches, or a sequel. It has a LOT of issues.

Spore Galactic Adventures
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Needs WAY more than that lazy shit. There are far more modes in the game that REALLY need to be fleshed out, especially the tribal and ESPECIALLY the civ phases.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:48 am

From 1 to 10 how much would you give Spor Tyrong?

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:27 am

6. Solid six. The DRM doesn't help.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:34 am

The what? DRM?

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:14 am

now its 15 april CHANGE IT BACK!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:11 pm

It's a kind fo copy rotection. It allows only 3, now 5 installs and then you have to call EA, it's not toll free, to get it reactivated. And there's nothing forcing them to allow it. It also downloads a kind of system on your comp that sucks memory. For all intents and purposes, a virus. All this does is make people SUPPORT piracy.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:14 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
It's a kind fo copy rotection. It allows only 3, now 5 installs and then you have to call EA, it's not toll free, to get it reactivated. And there's nothing forcing them to allow it. It also downloads a kind of system on your comp that sucks memory. For all intents and purposes, a virus. All this does is make people SUPPORT piracy.

EA just sucks, its true.

They milk games out and shit.

Anyways, yay the WR flag is back.
But seriously who made the spanish one?

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:30 pm

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EA just sucks, its true.

They milk games out and shit.

What god capitalistic game developer doesn't?

CoolKidX wrote:

Anyways, yay the WR flag is back.
But seriously who made the spanish one?

Kenzu made it in Flash I guess.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:03 pm

Actually I like EA. They're not that bad. Their games are rarely shitty, and they've been coming out with some nice ideas. Spore was in development for 4 or 5 years. Will Wright is the one you should blame. He wanted way too much for the technology available, and at the end EA got impatient and told him to finish. We got Spore. I mean, EA made Mirror's Edge. The game's short, but it's GREAT.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:41 pm

That's one of the bad things of EA, shortness, they need to finish it a little more, I mean The Godfather 2 needed a lil' more time to get finished, it doesnt feel finished and all. But overall EA has some good games, some bad, but it can have great games but some are just so awful.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:28 pm

I'm not saying it's unfinished. It's just kinda short.

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PostSubject: Re: wr flag   Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:29 pm

Still, its short Wink

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