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PostSubject: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:33 am

This is the simplest and one of the most accurate ways to explain the differences between communism and stalinism for people who don't think there's a difference.

Communism = Proletariat Socialism

Stalinism = Proletariat Bonapartism
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:32 am

Stalinism is just authoritarian form of socialism.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:25 am

Riddler wrote:
Stalinism is just authoritarian form of socialism.

No, its the proletariat form of Bonapartism.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:31 am

...what?Now Napolean is in the equation>
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:58 pm

Diogritor wrote:
...what?Now Napolean is in the equation>

Stalin is to socialism as Napoleon is to capitalist democracy.


Both claimed to represent a democratic set of ideals, both of them were in fact absolute rulers.

Stalin used many of the same tactics as napoleon to gain and maintain power.

For example, both Stalin and Napoleon used the Plebiscite to have the appearance of democratic elections. (In case y'all don't know the Plebiscite was a trick in which the voting "ballot" merely asked something like "Do you like Josef Stalin" with yes or no options. )

That is why true socialists refer to the Stalinism as
"Soviet Bonapartism"
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:16 pm

oligarch wrote:
Riddler wrote:
Stalinism is just authoritarian form of socialism.

No, its the proletariat form of Bonapartism.
Whatever, it's the same meaning-a sosialist state with one leader. Sometimes it's more progressive than democracy if the leader himself is progressive, sometimes it isn't, because it depends on the ruler. You may think of Stalin as a bloody undemocretic dictator, but his progressiveness is undenyable-it took for his ountry 10 years to rebuild itself from both wars, while it would've taken hundreds of years for the western "democracies".
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:53 pm

Riddler wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Riddler wrote:
Stalinism is just authoritarian form of socialism.

No, its the proletariat form of Bonapartism.
Whatever, it's the same meaning-a sosialist state with one leader. Sometimes it's more progressive than democracy if the leader himself is progressive, sometimes it isn't, because it depends on the ruler. You may think of Stalin as a bloody undemocretic dictator, but his progressiveness is undenyable-it took for his ountry 10 years to rebuild itself from both wars, while it would've taken hundreds of years for the western "democracies".

Yes, he was a good ruler in many aspects, but people like to knock him and call him a mass murderer because of the famines that weren't entirely his fault.

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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:40 pm

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Yes, he was a good ruler in many aspects, but people like to knock him and call him a mass murderer because of the famines that weren't entirely his fault.

And for the unproven and unnoticed murder of 55% of the Soviet population. Notice sarcasm

Stalin was a strong leader, he wasn't socialist enough, but he had some determination that did make USSR progress indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:01 pm

Even he wasn't to blame for the famines, millions of people were executed or put into Gulags where they soon perished!

As far his "progress" is concerned it was at a price that no rational human would dream of paying.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:22 pm

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:
Even he wasn't to blame for the famines, millions of people were executed or put into Gulags where they soon perished!

As far his "progress" is concerned it was at a price that no rational human would dream of paying.

Around 4 million. While I don't totally agree with that policy, sometimes there's people you got get rid of.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:14 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Renegade_Kautsky wrote:
Even he wasn't to blame for the famines, millions of people were executed or put into Gulags where they soon perished!

As far his "progress" is concerned it was at a price that no rational human would dream of paying.

Around 4 million. While I don't totally agree with that policy, sometimes there's people you got get rid of.

True there are some people who you have to get rid of but the number of such people should never reach 4 million. I think it was a bit more than 4 million though but its hard to say; The most accurate estimate those killed by Stalin is about 5% of the population but its hard to say exactly what the population was since Stalin edited the results of every census.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:42 am

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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:56 am

BolshevikClock wrote:

It's true Stalin was not a heroic general like Napoleon but I suppose it could be said that Stalin was a farce to Napoleon's tragedy although Stalin was another tragedy in himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:40 am

Napoleon really was a cool dictator.. just look at that painting!
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:05 pm

Diogritor wrote:
Napoleon really was a cool dictator.. just look at that painting!

He knew how to put out an image.

He was in fact a short, bald, fat-man. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:04 pm

Well... sometimes numbers can become a lot. If I do some rough calculations on how much people would fiercely oppose communist rule here in Mexico, I guess it would easily go to around 3 million.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:19 pm

lolwut? yeah. The US would launch a full scale war if a Communist Party got into it's businesses.

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in fact, I've asked most Americans what they feared about Communism the most and the one answer was always this: "They're a threat to business."

ORLY?! If that means your entire family was prostituted in mere "business" and you made $$$ off of it, then communism is bad if it takes that away? Evil or Very Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:08 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
lolwut? yeah. The US would launch a full scale war if a Communist Party got into it's businesses.

...

in fact, I've asked most Americans what they feared about Communism the most and the one answer was always this: "They're a threat to business."

ORLY?! If that means your entire family was prostituted in mere "business" and you made $$$ off of it, then communism is bad if it takes that away? Evil or Very Mad

Very interesting point Jeiro Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:40 pm

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Well... sometimes numbers can become a lot. If I do some rough calculations on how much people would fiercely oppose communist rule here in Mexico, I guess it would easily go to around 3 million.
LOL you live in mexico????
not being racist but isn't mexico's gpd like REALLY low how can you afford a computer. wait ofcurs your mid class how stupid can I be and I guss your parents became richer then otheres by being communist eh??
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:31 pm

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Well... sometimes numbers can become a lot. If I do some rough calculations on how much people would fiercely oppose communist rule here in Mexico, I guess it would easily go to around 3 million.
LOL you live in mexico????
not being racist but isn't mexico's gpd like REALLY low how can you afford a computer. wait ofcurs your mid class how stupid can I be and I guss your parents became richer then otheres by being communist eh??
Sometimes its truly better to not speak about something that you dont know about.
When countries make less money the prices on things drop. What good would it do to sell stuff at regular price and then have no one buy it

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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:38 pm

mononokifool wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Well... sometimes numbers can become a lot. If I do some rough calculations on how much people would fiercely oppose communist rule here in Mexico, I guess it would easily go to around 3 million.
LOL you live in mexico????
not being racist but isn't mexico's gpd like REALLY low how can you afford a computer. wait ofcurs your mid class how stupid can I be and I guss your parents became richer then otheres by being communist eh??
Sometimes its truly better to not speak about something that you dont know about.
When countries make less money the prices on things drop. What good would it do to sell stuff at regular price and then have no one buy it
I do know but mexico IS a very poor cuntry in general really sad if they had been abel to keep the westcoast then they might be better off.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:40 pm

It really isnt as poor as you think. They get a huge amount of money from tourist alone. also many many factories are in mexico

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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:44 pm

mononokifool wrote:
It really isnt as poor as you think. They get a huge amount of money from tourist alone. also many many factories are in mexico

just checked wiki and you are right after all so sorry zelot.
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PostSubject: ugh   Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:57 am

Stalin was a beaurocratic dictator leeched off of the degenerated worker's state that was the Soviet union. To call him a socialist is disgusting.

Stalinism is to socialism what reformist union tops are to worker's unions.

simple as that
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:31 pm

MarxistFreeman wrote:
Stalin was a beaurocratic dictator leeched off of the degenerated worker's state that was the Soviet union. To call him a socialist is disgusting.

Stalinism is to socialism what reformist union tops are to worker's unions.

simple as that

what?
lenin=bad
stalin=worse
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