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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:10 pm

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what?
lenin=bad
stalin=worse
For once, I agree with Matt. Lenin dod to Marxism what Stalin did to Leninism.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:16 pm

are you guys kidding?

present to me Lenin's discourse from Marxism

and i will address them
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:18 pm

1 democratic centralism
2 vanguard party is necessary
3 socialism will occur in poor countries, not most developed ones
4 The soviets are ruled by the Bolsheviks
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:25 pm

Democratic centralism is the discipline of the bolshevik party and is a great way of functioning. Democracy in meetings and a united front when working.

A Vanguard party is necessary to teach and lead the working class into socialist revolution

revolution in poorer countries is Maoist. Lenin KNEW that their being a peasant country would be a problem and considered the bit of profit based production as a necessary defeat to industrialize the USSR.

the soviets are supposed to be ruled by the workers and the Bolsheviks were a working class party...
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:31 pm

Democratic centralism forces peole to act against their principles

The workers do need to be taught, but not led

poor country revolutin is leninist

lenin wanted bolsheviks to rule
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:38 pm

no it does not

You are allowed to express your beliefs within the meetings but what kind of party are you if when you are working you can't even agree on a subject?

debate the hell out of meetings and get your point across but if the majority does not agree on your viewpoint then you must adhere to the majority in doing political work.

if you passionately disagree and refuse to represent the will of the majority then you can leave the party.

Workers need to be taught TO LEAD

Lenin frantically tried to industrialize
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:40 pm

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what kind of party are you if when you are working you can't even agree on a subject?
A democratic one.

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Workers need to be taught TO LEAD
Lead who.

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Lenin frantically tried to industrialize
Great excuse. Not.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:41 pm

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Lenin frantically tried to industrialize

I think Lenin tried to industrialize Russia too fast, and that, IMO, led to the downfall of socialism when *coughStalincough* took over. The confusion of the population was the perfect moment for him to impose his views upon the people.

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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:49 pm

he admitted that it was a defeat so i believe you are right jeiro

and Democratic Centralism is democratic.

Example

For Mumia Abu-Jamal's protest
we had a caucus before going out to the protest
we agreed on our stances and made sure everyone could speak and get their point across. some people swayed our original discipline for the protest and when we went out to protest and sell papers we went out with a united front.

If we went out into the protest without a line we could not agree on then we would fail as an organization. If you sign on to an organization because of their main points and then go out and distort them...what was the point of joining?

http://www.partisandefense.org/events/pdf/Int-protests.pdf
seriously attend this protest ^^^^^
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PostSubject: Re: Communism and Stalinism   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:53 pm

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If you sign on to an organization because of their main points and then go out and distort them...what was the point of joining?
You can agree with many points but not all. Anyway I have to leave now but I'l be back soon.
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