Solidarity with Somalia!

I'm sick of these hyper-nationalist and patriotic motherfuckers here in the United States putting down the Somali pirates. I'm sure they don't know anything about them or why they're doing what they're doing. I'm sure they only have just heard about them within the past four or five days since that captain got kidnapped. I'm genuinely furious right now.

So Solidarity with Somalia! Solidarity with the pirates! Fuck the United States, and all of its European allies, that is imposing its hegemony of fear and economic exploitation upon the world!

Hmm yeah, maybe, but you got to wonder, why the fuck do they constantly pick theyr nose in other people's stuff, i mean, don't they have nothing better to do?

Do you like these pirates or is it bothering you that they hardly know anything about them etc.?

MightyObserver wrote:

Do you like these pirates or is it bothering you that they hardly know anything about them etc.?

Mostly the latter, but, in all honesty, these pirates are really just fishermen who are pissed that Europeans are dumping waste materials into their seas and fishing all of the fish away from them. So it's not so much that I like them - or, rather, that I like their tactics, which I of course don't - but that I feel sorry for them because they've been vilified in such a way.

No one is neutral in this issue, that much is for sure. But the U.S. isn't some benevolent actor in this play; they are just as much a part of the problem as the pirates are, as is every other country that has ships in Somalia's waters.

I was mostly prompted to post this from a fight I had with my entire family - literally - over this issue, so I was pissed. I've blown off some steam since then, but I don't retract any of my statements.

Forgive your family, you live in america, it's normal theyr not actually aware theyr is people outside of them, i mean the average american doesn't know where Australia is.

What can I say, Internet my friend? I agree with you.

And we know what is to blame: Capitalism and Imperialism.

Maersk

Danish richmen

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

What can I say, Internet my friend? I agree with you.

And we know what is to blame: Capitalism and Imperialism.

LoL? No? More like CNN?

Jesus wrote:

LoL? No? More like CNN?

...wow, he means the situation itself, not the bias reporting (though even that could be linked to capitalism pretty easily [there's no need for a propaganda model if there is no privilege or authority to protect from scrutiny], but i know you wouldn't read that).

Violence should never be the solution.

Black_Cross wrote:

Jesus wrote:

LoL? No? More like CNN?

...wow, he means the situation itself, not the bias reporting (though even that could be linked to capitalism pretty easily [there's no need for a propaganda model if there is no privilege or authority to protect from scrutiny], but i know you wouldn't read that).

Oh, i tought he talked about the scrap with his parents. They are mainly ignorant cuz american news bulletin are crap. But anyway, yes i can read people's post, just not a 2 km square answer to a 2 sentences post.

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Violence should never be the solution.

Word

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Violence should never be the solution.

How else can these fishermen respond? Their situation is so bleak that I think violence is entirely necessary - and I hate violence, so much so that I think that the Revolution must be entirely non-violent. But I truly see no other alternative for these people. If they do nothing, they'll continue to suffer hunger and economic deprivation. If they try to operate with legal means, they'll just get screwed over by the imposed international order - meaning that the countries who have a vested interest in maintaining their ships' presence off the Horn of Africa will simply turn to institutions like the UN to support their so-called "legitimate" adventures because, let's face it, who will the UN support in this situation?

So what else can these fishermen do? The odds are completely against them, and they truly have no other tools available to them. I empathize with your concern about violence, but I honestly think that the use of violence is completely legitimate and entirely defendable in this situation, sort of in the same way it would be legitimate for a worm to try to turn against the foot that crushes it.

WeiWuWei wrote:

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Violence should never be the solution.

How else can these fishermen respond? Their situation is so bleak that I think violence is entirely necessary - and I hate violence, so much so that I think that the Revolution must be entirely non-violent. But I truly see no other alternative for these people. If they do nothing, they'll continue to suffer hunger and economic deprivation. If they try to operate with legal means, they'll just get screwed over by the imposed international order - meaning that the countries who have a vested interest in maintaining their ships' presence off the Horn of Africa will simply turn to institutions like the UN to support their so-called "legitimate" adventures because, let's face it, who will the UN support in this situation?

So what else can these fishermen do? The odds are completely against them, and they truly have no other tools available to them. I empathize with your concern about violence, but I honestly think that the use of violence is completely legitimate and entirely defendable in this situation, sort of in the same way it would be legitimate for a worm to try to turn against the foot that crushes it.

As the court of united states says self-defense is legal, why shouldn't it be in that case?

Jesus wrote:

As the court of united states says self-defense is legal, why shouldn't it be in that case?

That's what I'm sayin', bro.

Again, definitely agree with you Wei. I think their resort to violence is pretty much a desperate last-resort measure to which they have been pushed by their conditions and in which nonetheless, like the rest of the odds, are in disadvantage.

Also, I think its noteworthy that this condition is repeated elswhere in all societies within this economic framework. Just like these pirates are doing these things many others are forced by their conditions to similar illegal tactics.

As for the self-defense comment. I think it pretty much goes beyond that. In the example put by Jesus it's as response to direct agression. In this case violence is a response to constant pressure exerted by circumstances.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Again, definitely agree with you Wei. I think their resort to violence is pretty much a desperate last-resort measure to which they have been pushed by their conditions and in which nonetheless, like the rest of the odds, are in disadvantage.

Also, I think its noteworthy that this condition is repeated elswhere in all societies within this economic framework. Just like these pirates are doing these things many others are forced by their conditions to similar illegal tactics.

As for the self-defense comment. I think it pretty much goes beyond that. In the example put by Jesus it's as response to direct agression. In this case violence is a response to constant pressure exerted by circumstances.

Yeah but i mean, in the way that you don't really have the choice, in both cases.

WeiWuWei wrote:

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Violence should never be the solution.

How else can these fishermen respond? Their situation is so bleak that I think violence is entirely necessary - and I hate violence, so much so that I think that the Revolution must be entirely non-violent. But I truly see no other alternative for these people. If they do nothing, they'll continue to suffer hunger and economic deprivation. If they try to operate with legal means, they'll just get screwed over by the imposed international order - meaning that the countries who have a vested interest in maintaining their ships' presence off the Horn of Africa will simply turn to institutions like the UN to support their so-called "legitimate" adventures because, let's face it, who will the UN support in this situation?

So what else can these fishermen do? The odds are completely against them, and they truly have no other tools available to them. I empathize with your concern about violence, but I honestly think that the use of violence is completely legitimate and entirely defendable in this situation, sort of in the same way it would be legitimate for a worm to try to turn against the foot that crushes it.

Thus is why I said should.

Pirates are dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcyGStVc8QY

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Pirates are dead.

There is most likely gonna be more than 4 pirates in somalia.

comrade110397 wrote:

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Pirates are dead.

There is most likely gonna be more than 4 pirates in somalia.

monkeys cant swim, and the pirates was just jews indisquises. oops i forgot why rats leave a sinking ship and i also remember how bad this joke is. sorry.

Call them Pirates and everyone rallies around the cause... the propaganda model is victorious once more.

Black_Cross wrote:

Call them Pirates and everyone rallies around the cause... the propaganda model is victorious once more.

Vilification is workable. As much as calling oneslef Vindictor of the working class.

Black_Cross wrote:

Call them Pirates and everyone rallies around the cause... the propaganda model is victorious once more.

Well, that's how I feel about the term terrorist but... pirate? I think it has more to do with kidnapping that captain... that American captain. The word definitely arouses interest because it doesn't sound like something from modern times.



I remember having to be on this fake pirate ship thing with a bunch of kids. One of the people on the ship was explaining to the kids that "there are good pirates and bad pirates". It was funny, in a way. If course the kids didn't have the slightest idea what an actual pirate was. Fictional pirates are always so much more popular.

It doesn't look like that link is going to work but you can clearly see where it leads to...

I suppose by "good pirates" she meant pirates that didn't kill everyone outright, as long as they didn't try to fight back. and they WERE good pirates, compared to other pirates. They let you live and keep the boat. Or they dropped you off somewhere. You LIVED at least.