Converting to Communism?

"Perfect" is subjective. My standards of a perfect economic system, and therefore society, is one in which the workers own and control the means of production directly. I.e communism. It has been put into practice and worked untiol destroyed by extrinsic factors.

name some places
what factors?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

"Perfect" is subjective. My standards of a perfect economic system, and therefore society, is one in which the workers own and control the means of production directly. I.e communism. It has been put into practice and worked untiol destroyed by extrinsic factors.

*cough* utopian *cough*

also Zealot, in that society, what would the non workers do. the lazy people, will they be put to death? or be opressed and forced into some sort of "labor camp"?

and what about the sick or mentally challenged
we tried sending them to candada, but that didn't work to well

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

"Perfect" is subjective. My standards of a perfect economic system, and therefore society, is one in which the workers own and control the means of production directly. I.e communism. It has been put into practice and worked untiol destroyed by extrinsic factors.

what is better?

Liche wrote:

also Zealot, in that society, what would the non workers do. the lazy people, will they be put to death? or be opressed and forced into some sort of "labor camp"?

No, as I've told you several times already - they'll be excluded from economy and will perhaps live on things like charity.

enviro wrote:

and what about the sick or mentally challenged
we tried sending them to candada, but that didn't work to well

Mentally challenged and sick people, for your surprise can still contribute economically. People objectively unable to participate in the economy will be sustained economically by the workers.

Tyrlop wrote:

what is better?

What is better in comparison to what?

another quick question
does everyone get what the WANT or what they need?
how will jobs be decided?
why should someone who takes out the trash get the same pay/things as someone who is a doctor

communism relies to much on the good will of humans

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Tyrlop wrote:

what is better?

What is better in comparison to what?

what is better then perfect?

enviro wrote:

another quick question
does everyone get what the WANT or what they need?
how will jobs be decided?
why should someone who takes out the trash get the same pay/things as someone who is a doctor

communism relies to much on the good will of humans

and who will decide at what time you will got to work? And when it ends?

the goverment

will there be schools?
whil people have to go?
free healthcare?
no incetive

but there is no government

Will this have a deficit on the economy? (and their for the countrys well being)

(also yea, Im pretty forgetful at times, [sarcasm]I should write down every thing I ask you[/sarcasm] since I have asked you the same thing many times)

enviro wrote:

the goverment

CoolKidX wrote:

but there is no government

2404 posts.

He's been here that long and doesn't know that.

Baffling.

MightyObserver wrote:

enviro wrote:

the goverment

CoolKidX wrote:

but there is no government

2404 posts.

He's been here that long and doesn't know that.

Baffling.

he use to be somewhat of a troll (and some question that he still is).

Liche wrote:

he use to be somewhat of a troll (and some question that he still is).

Half-troll

1/4 troll I'd say. Maybe less.

CoolKidX wrote:

enviro wrote:

another quick question
does everyone get what the WANT or what they need?

Yes, because the needs are determied by everyone.

enviro wrote:

how will jobs be decided?

They'll be determined by the needs. Supposing that by "jobs" you mean "work" or laboural roles".

enviro wrote:

why should someone who takes out the trash get the same pay/things as someone who is a doctor

Why should anyone get a pay and why should an individual have the right to determine the freedom of another human being both directly and inirectly? (that's how capitalism works in case you haven't noticed)

And no, it doesn't work like that. If it has been decided by the community, taht is, all the workers, that picking up the trash is a less valuable work than a doctor's then said work will be worth less having this worth directly determined by both those who need their trash picked up and those who pick up the trash.

enviro wrote:

communism relies to much on the good will of humans

More on humanity's capability to reason and for abstraction which are essentially what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

CoolKidX wrote:

and who will decide at what time you will got to work? And when it ends?

You together with the rest of the workers within the community where you live.

Do you all think humans are so stupid as not to be able to organize and altogether coordinate one of the most essential collective tasks as economy? (Before replying to this think that you are humans yourselves)

Tyrlop wrote:

what is better than perfect?

Since I didn't claim such a thing I don't see why I should reply such a question. Besides, according to the definition of "perfect", there can't be something better than perfect.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

You together with the rest of the workers within the community where you live.

Do you all think humans are so stupid as not to be able to organize and altogether coordinate one of the most essential collective tasks as economy? (Before replying to this think that you are humans yourselves)

But if someone does not agree with the time set, it won't go on right?
I mean, that's is a pain in the arse to decide at waht time.
Every individual wants his own time to go to work and when to go back at home, me, I like to sleep some more in the morning, others may want to work some earlier and get back earlier etc.

CoolKidX wrote:

But if someone does not agree with the time set, it won't go on right?

It will, he will just have to deal with the consequences of not agreeing which will depend on the organizational scheme set by the rest, that of course supposing he remains within the community.

CoolKidX wrote:

I mean, that's is a pain in the arse to decide at waht time.
Every individual wants his own time to go to work and when to go back at home, me, I like to sleep some more in the morning, others may want to work some earlier and get back earlier etc.

It's not at all a pain in the arse, my friend. There are lots of things that wouldn't demand more than 3-hours shifts allowing for literally 8 different shifts and 21 hours of free time. With 21 hours of free time a day as determined by yourself and your colleages.... how can you complain about time?

We often overwork in capitalism because we're not sufficing our needs - we're sufficing other people's "needs" to get richer by struggling to suffice our needs in accordance to their rules. We don't work to objectively suffice what society needs but what the owners and controllers of economy want.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Tyrlop wrote:

what is better than perfect?

Since I didn't claim such a thing I don't see why I should reply such a question. Besides, according to the definition of "perfect", there can't be something better than perfect.

what word is better to use then perfect? since perfect is subjective what word would be better to use in this case.

And now may i ask, wtf does that have to do with the original topic?

Stop digressing.

hey hey
i though we were talking communism
communism has a goverment


and zel your thing sounds flawless
there is no way that every single person will agree

enviro wrote:

hey hey
i though we were talking communism
communism has a goverment

No. It most certainly does not. I'm sure Zealot will be able to direct you to one of the many threads on which he has explained it.

then wat is socialism?

Tyrlop wrote:

what word is better to use then perfect? since perfect is subjective what word would be better to use in this case.

"subjective" doesn't mean "negative" or "impossible" to use. It means that its interpretation depends on each individual.

"Good" its superlatives (better, best) and "perfect", just like "bad" and its superlatives (worse, worst) are subjective. What may be good for you may not be so good for me and may be horrible for someone else.

That's what "subjective" stands for.

My concept of perfection in regards to something may differ from yours, enviro's, Kenzu's, etc.

enviro wrote:

then wat is socialism?

A synonim for "communism".