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PostSubject: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Wed May 20, 2009 11:31 pm

I just noticed that zealot had his own homepage for "Revolutionary Leftists"
and i dedicate this video to kenzu, move from the spotlight so the people that you are throwing a shadow over wont get jalux. Rifts and deviding in the left is what i hate more then almost any other thing, it has plagued us for 200 years, and that is the reason we are so weak, basicly we could win peoples hearths with only 20 % of what we got, maybe.
this is not a speech against the "United Front of Revolutionary Leftists" nor a speech against Kenzu Milagro, im talking against divisions...

Watch out you dont get stapped in the bag by mackie messer. while you are facing the sunlight.

this is still a good song.
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Wed May 20, 2009 11:37 pm

It's been done Since October 25th and without the intent to drag people out of here but to focus on dicussions about how to establish socialism, revolutionary studies, history etc.

Diving the left? First explain why someone that believes that bourgeoisie and state are fine is left-wing, then we can talk about division within the left wing.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Wed May 20, 2009 11:54 pm

Good song.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Thu May 21, 2009 12:00 am


its extra-parliamentary. btw you got your own subforum here why should you make your own website, it shows weakness in the left, we have to look strong.
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First explain why someone that believes that bourgeoisie and state are fine is left-wing
i never said i did that, and ive never made a political profile so you wont know if i said so.
is it kenzu that you are relating too. ask him why he is in socialist party.

its like washing dishes, you dont wash a corner of a dish every day, but you wash all the dishes on one day! (get my point?)

i believe in unity of the left. and everytime that people want to seperate from the "Community" then its a big step backwards.
im to tired to write right now but, have you ever seen Bertolt Brechts play 3 Penny Opera? if you had you would get my point because i am comparing alot to it.
now take a look at the picture i drew and dont quote everything i said because its the picture that gives more sense then what i just wrote.
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Thu May 21, 2009 12:11 am

Tyrlop wrote:
I just noticed that zealot had his own homepage for "Revolutionary Leftists"
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rly? whats the url?
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Thu May 21, 2009 12:37 am

LOL @ Tyrlop image

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Thu May 21, 2009 12:45 am

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its extra-parliamentary. btw you got your own subforum here why should you make your own website, it shows weakness in the left, we have to look strong.

Revolutionary Hall? Unable to cover all the array of subjects covered by the other project.

And no, it doesn't show weakness in the left.

You have hinted several times that you believe there should be a state, Kenzu has as well. You've hinted to employ "socialism" in the Leninist (and flawed) understanding. And you've hinted to aim for that "kind of socialism" because you've hinted to think that humanity still got to nearly evolve to become communist so "socialism" (in the Leninist conception) is the only realistic aim.

That defacto makes you social-Leninists or "Socialists according to Leninist understanding of socialism that purely pursue socialism because communism is out of reach within our lifespans or our grandchildren's for that matter". That, even by Leninist standards, is mediocre as hell. But not only that, you've hinted not to be revolutionary but reformist. You don't even believe in the Leninist "let's topple this state and change it for ours" thing... no... you believe in using the current statist framework to achieve your "socialist" long-term goals. You literally want to keep the status quo marching slowly towards your goals from which there's still a slow-paced and long march awaiting humanity towards communism.

While I understand the concern of people like you for the working class and humanity itself, and I'll give you that because honestly you guys seem concerned (at least), your whole political platform is flawed and actually has negative implications among which the creation of conformism may be one of the most dangerous not to forget that it just further delays societal acquisition of awareness. While you may abstractly have good intentions, your long term projects are defacto harmful, conformist and amount to no more than shouting "higher wages and taxes for rich please!".

These essential differences make us be in different sides, simply because you want to keep the status quo to change the status quo (a contradiction) and we simply want to change it.

You're the far moderate and reformist left, we're the radical revolutionary left. We don't have the same goals or methods and we consider your practices harmful to the workers' cause.

Our methods are quicker and require considering our goals plausible, well founded and reasonable. You consider that those same goals are too farfetched and thus require a very, very slow process.

Our methods may imply some violent reaction which could well cost lives by far mainly on the hands of reaction. Your methods constitute the preservation of what destroys human essence and identity, they let this system further evolve, tehy let this system's roots to grow enhancing apathy and making unbearable things or things that should be unbearable, bearable and even acceptable. They'll imply the constant destruction of lives not only materially but abstractly.



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i never said i did that, and ive never made a political profile so you wont know if i said so
is it kenzu that you are relating too. ask him why he is in socialist party.

Read above.

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its like washing dishes, you dont wash a corner of a dish every day, but you wash all the dishes on one day! (get my point?)

It's more like you don't empty the pool by taking tablespoons of water from it and dropping them in a differnt corner of the pool.

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i believe in unity of the left. and everytime that people want to seperate from the "Community" then its a big step backwards.

Read the first paragraph of this response. I don't believe apologists of the bourgeoisie and the state to be on the same side as us.

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im to tired to write right now but, have you ever seen Bertolt Brechts play 3 Penny Opera? if you had you would get my point because i am comparing alot to it.

Nope. Have you read Animal Farm? It's a funny reading about how Leninism fails, with pigs and cows.

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now take a look at the picture i drew and dont quote everything i said because its the picture that gives more sense then what i just wrote.

You should have drawn something like RE's zombies in red suit - with extremities in orange that don't belong to him but are attached to his body trying to rip off his flesh and members.

Like this:



Also, Kenzu is not Czech, he was born in Czechoslovakia but he's Slovak.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sat May 23, 2009 12:24 pm


words later, try to analyse this you
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sat May 23, 2009 3:32 pm

Are the capitalists trying to stop the bus from turning left?

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sat May 23, 2009 5:20 pm

The monser Zealot drawn looks good, and the new image of Tyrlop looks good aswell.
Ah snAP!
Draw battle.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sat May 23, 2009 9:02 pm

Doesn't make much sense within a revolutionary context.

Revolution is intended as a means to deprive the sate and the bourgeoisie from their power in order to gie it to workers which is what is required to achieve socialism.

Bourgeoisie don't stop revolution - their power is the target of the revolution.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sat May 23, 2009 11:00 pm

try to take a longer look, and focus on the things that are obvious, and make an analysis.


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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sun May 24, 2009 12:17 am

Tyrlop wrote:



Now I noticed.

That is the version of this one.
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Only in a wack ass language.
Right?

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sun May 24, 2009 2:49 am

Tyrlop wrote:
try to take a longer look, and focus on the things that are obviously, and make an analysis.


*things that are obvious

Looked long enough. No need for more.

I'm up to a discussion on whether you reformites and us revolutionaires are on the same side or not and if you believe we are then present arguements instead of extremely abstract and rather ambiguous drawings.

Your point, theoretically, is that all the left should be united. I explained you why we're not united and why we can't be united when having diametrically opposed political platforms.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sun May 24, 2009 1:49 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Tyrlop wrote:
try to take a longer look, and focus on the things that are obviously, and make an analysis.


*things that are obvious

Looked long enough. No need for more.

I'm up to a discussion on whether you reformites and us revolutionaires are on the same side or not and if you believe we are then present arguements instead of extremely abstract and rather ambiguous drawings.

Your point, theoretically, is that all the left should be united. I explained you why we're not united and why we can't be united when having diametrically opposed political platforms.
sugar and salt are not the same but sometimes you use them both for cooking
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sun May 24, 2009 2:18 pm

Tyrlop your a fucking genius in those kinda "things".
Your good in second meanings and all.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sun May 24, 2009 9:57 pm

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sugar and salt are not the same but sometimes you use them both for cooking

Aha, and sugar contains carbon and salt contains nothing but Sodium and Chlorine... they're two extremely different chemical compounds which, even within the kitchen, have quite different uses.

Again, pointless. You're proving nothing.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sun May 24, 2009 10:03 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Tyrlop wrote:

sugar and salt are not the same but sometimes you use them both for cooking

Aha, and sugar contains carbon and salt contains nothing but Sodium and Chlorine... they're two extremely different chemical compounds which, even within the kitchen, have quite different uses.

Again, pointless. You're proving nothing.
nothing is pointless. lol for tomato sauce example, you use both sugar and salt, you use salt for almost all cooking, and all organic contains sugar as far as i remember.

Salt doesn't contain sodium, I'm not even sure what it is. but salt is Chlorine and Natrium
Sugar is is C6H12O6 i think and Salt is NaCl



reply to zealot VVVVVVVVVVV down there
you started!


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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Sun May 24, 2009 10:07 pm

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nothing is pointless. lol for tomato sauce example, you use both sugar and salt, you use salt for almost all cooking, and all organic contains sugar as far as i remember.

Aha so? This is absolutely not linked to the topic.

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Salt doesn't contain sodium, I'm not even sure what it is. but salt is Chlorine and Natrium
Sugar is is C6H12O6 i think and Salt is NaCl

In English Na is Sodium.


And again, you're proving nothing relevant to teh discussion, just diverting it to another topic.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Mon May 25, 2009 3:02 am

Im tempted to get into this cooking argument.

and CKX, the whole point of this thread is about that video being dedicated to Kenzu Razz Its in Czech.
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Mon May 25, 2009 4:32 am

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Im tempted to get into this cooking argument.

Like derailing the topic? What for?

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Mon May 25, 2009 5:22 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Liche wrote:
Im tempted to get into this cooking argument.

Like derailing the topic? What for?
You guys were discussing Sugar and Salt.

I was going to say Tyrlops analagy for Sugar and Salt in pasta is bad because there is much more salt in Pasta then there is sugar.
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Mon May 25, 2009 7:30 am

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You guys were discussing Sugar and Salt.

No, he just brought them up to prove nothing. I'm still waiting for him to bring a valid argument to demonstrate his point that reformites and revolutionaries are on the same side.

Liche wrote:

I was going to say Tyrlops analagy for Sugar and Salt in pasta is bad because there is much more salt in Pasta then there is sugar.

He was talking about tomato sauce, and his analogy is irrelevant to the discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Mon May 25, 2009 12:15 pm

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I was going to say Tyrlops analagy for Sugar and Salt in pasta is bad because there is much more salt in Pasta then there is sugar.
exactly.
im i a reformist, am i a revolutionary, ARE YOU A REVOLUTIONARY? no you never started a revolution and you are doing nothing to start one. and no im also not a reformist nor a revolutionary. that would be arrogant and dissrespectfull to call myself that.
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PostSubject: Re: Dedicated to Kenzu Milagro - our Czech friend.   Mon May 25, 2009 9:50 pm

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im i a reformist, am i a revolutionary, ARE YOU A REVOLUTIONARY? no you never started a revolution and you are doing nothing to start one. and no im also not a reformist nor a revolutionary. that would be arrogant and dissrespectfull to call myself that.

Absolutely wrong.

Revolutionary is a person who simply advocates for revolution, as simple as that.

Reformist is someone that advocates for the stablishment of the same goals as revolution by keeping the status quo and just tweaking it.

And no, it's not arrogant nor disrespectful - it's just defining your ideological identity.

And you haven't adressed any single of my points.

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