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PostSubject: greed   Sun May 24, 2009 11:39 pm

i have an argument
but i wanna hear yours before

is it good for society or bad
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 12:22 am

Well the good side is that a company that wants MOAR could start many invesments or so, and create jobs in that way.

But it could be bad cuz maybe the standers for the workers would be misery, but snap the government is like "Oh no you don't", then the workers are happy cuz they got minimum wage and all. Yay.

But yea they can also start to create work in poor countries and then pay not really much.

So I'd say: :/

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 1:59 am

Silly and irrational, pretty much product of lack of societal organization, scarcity, lack of knowledge and culture.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 3:07 am

Since the word Greed is meant to be negative, Im gonna say, no it is bad. Even in Capitalist Wacco society.
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 5:09 am

but greed is good
it drives down the prices of some products and fuels inventions
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 5:23 am

enviro wrote:
but greed is good
it drives down the prices of some products and fuels inventions
No, it consumes you.
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 5:29 am

no xbox or ipod without greed thou
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 7:32 am

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no xbox or ipod without greed thou

False. They're product of scientific research and human need to find improved forms of entertainment and multimedia usage.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 7:33 pm

becuase people will pay for it
you are false
as the only reason microsoft looked into it was for money, same with the ipod( maybe not the apple computer, but the ipod definatly)
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 9:40 pm

enviro wrote:
becuase people will pay for it
you are false
as the only reason microsoft looked into it was for money, same with the ipod( maybe not the apple computer, but the ipod definatly)
omg...

People will strive what ever the main thing is. If we were payed in Slaves, the purpose of making ipod would be for slaves. If the main thing we strived for was water we would strive for water. It dosent really matter, these things will be created not matter what. Its just human ingenuity.
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 9:55 pm

enviro wrote:
becuase people will pay for it
you are false
as the only reason microsoft looked into it was for money, same with the ipod( maybe not the apple computer, but the ipod definatly)

The idea comes from a need taht can be sufficed. The development comes from scientific knowledge and its application. The product itself comes from the combination of scienific research and available resources. We have an absurd economic system right now that makes profit a requirement for economic endeavours' survival, stability and growth, yet, that's not the driving force behind inventions.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 11:20 pm

right now profit is a drving force behind inventions
why make a prius( it isnt cuz they wanted to save the environment)
why make ipods, xbox's and blu ray
why make gaming computers

becuase these companies wanted more money, not to further the progress
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Mon May 25, 2009 11:40 pm

Obviously they make it for money.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Tue May 26, 2009 12:13 am

enviro wrote:
right now profit is a drving force behind inventions
why make a prius( it isnt cuz they wanted to save the environment)
why make ipods, xbox's and blu ray
why make gaming computers

becuase these companies wanted more money, not to further the progress

Profit is the requirement to survive within such a stupidly disorganized economy, that's why it should be within the objectives of any economic endeavour that intends to survive within this system, however, everything is done in order to perform a function which is to fulfill a certain goal and that, and the requirements for that to achieve said goal is the driving force behind what is produced, not profit.

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Obviously they make it for money.

Just because that's what is required to survive. The economic organizational scheme allowed for needs to be sufficed without money, then not even the concept "profit" would exist.

People do things because they can, because they need them and ecause they'll allow or assist in survival and development.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:37 pm

is there another way when people dont want money
i dont think you can brainwash(i mean if they dont want to) to do everything for the greater good.
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:12 am

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is there another way when people dont want money
i dont think you can brainwash(i mean if they dont want to) to do everything for the greater good.

Let the government do that or something.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:40 am

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is there another way when people dont want money
i dont think you can brainwash(i mean if they dont want to) to do everything for the greater good.
Your parents have brainwashed you into thinking you mean something in a meaningless world, and your government has brainwashed you into thinking money has any value, and youve also obviously been brain washed into think theres a difference between good and evil, other than in Fiction.

a few examples of brainwashing. and you obviosly think there is a greater good, other than doing what you think is right, which there isnt. Communism just wants people to do what they know is right, it has nothing to do with brainwashing.
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:42 am

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enviro wrote:
is there another way when people dont want money
i dont think you can brainwash(i mean if they dont want to) to do everything for the greater good.
Your parents have brainwashed you into thinking you mean something in a meaningless world, and your government has brainwashed you into thinking money has any value, and youve also obviously been brain washed into think theres a difference between good and evil, other than in Fiction.

a few examples of brainwashing. and you obviosly think there is a greater good, other than doing what you think is right, which there isnt. Communism just wants people to do what they know is right, it has nothing to do with brainwashing.

Money does have value, you can buy stuff with it =}.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:44 am

Its only as much as you and the person whose receiving it believe its worth, in reality its just a piece of paper with words and numbers on it.
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:52 am

enviro wrote:
no xbox or ipod without greed thou

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Funny thread

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:41 am

i know i cant make a deifference in the world, but that doesnt mean i cant help indiviudals

i am considering peace corps. or is that also too capitalistic

plus i know i dont have meaning, but money does. dont be so quick to say its meaningless, it represtents what you get for what your produce, say labor or goats
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:18 pm

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plus i know i dont have meaning, but money does. dont be so quick to say its meaningless

It may have meaning, but its meaning is manufactured, not natural.

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it represtents what you get for what your produce

Marx just rolled over in his grave.
Again, that representation is artificial. Not to mention it doesn't account for money gained without labor.

Money's only around so that the few can have vast amounts more than the rest. So, if anything, money promotes greed, which, in turn, promotes the excesses in society that create all the grime within society that we condemn, but do not sincerely look to fix.

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PostSubject: Re: greed   Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:46 pm

no money is hear so that you dont have to establish that 4 goats may or may not be worth 5 chickens.

money took over barteing, and money was not made to establish wealth over others. and money may have artificial meaning, but that is still a meaning. and as long as money is around, meaning will be there

also money(or so i belive you may correct me) was like buying power. you get it for your "furits of labor" wether it be inventions, or work. (unless you are noble or son of them ETC.)
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PostSubject: Re: greed   Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:57 pm

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no money is hear so that you dont have to establish that 4 goats may or may not be worth 5 chickens.

"Don't have to" or "can't"? This is arbitrary and abstract, not to mention it puts goat "salesmen" at a distinct disadvantage, which has implications on everyone who depends on goats (not the greatest ex. for this, but i rolled with it for the abstraction).

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money took over barteing, and money was not made to establish wealth over others.

What are you blathering about? Maybe you should spend more time responding to my points, and not to points that you would've liked me to make. Might save us some time.

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and money may have artificial meaning, but that is still a meaning. and as long as money is around, meaning will be there

There's no need to repeat after me.

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also money(or so i belive you may correct me) was like buying power. you get it for your "furits of labor" wether it be inventions, or work. (unless you are noble or son of them ETC.)

And how much you get is decided by limited amounts of people, most often the people who profit from your labor/inventions. And so we come back to the point that you decided to tip-toe around.

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