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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Wed May 27, 2009 9:53 pm

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The polticial center is the common belief of the masses.

This is impossible to assess, specially for lack of information of people in regards to politics. A party winning an election does not reflect the political stance of the population in general but either the party that achieved more popularity, that better managed the means of communication and/or rigged better the elections.

In USA, the simple fact that the population flip-flops even within their two headed political system pretty much demonstrates that there's no general political conviction (let alone the lack of options) - it's just a "dems failed, choose reps; reps failed choose dems" repetition always.

"When the USA are in good mood, they show their doneky face - a stubborn but noble and hardworking animal. When the USA are in bad mood, they show their elephant face - a strong animal which if enraged will free beat the shit out of you."

In Mexico it works the same way, just we got three main parties which could be summarized as "Party that ruled Mexico for 70 years", Populist Party for the Benefit of the Proletariat and Party that outright supports the interests of the bourgeoisie. Not even within this limited array of options do people have a political conviction as they just say "if the previous didn't work, let's try a new one" or "he speaks about bednefiting the workers, I'm a worker so support him. How will he do that? Who knows, after all that's what politics are about - promising what you won't fulfill. But at least those promises are nice", several don't even know what political right and left stand for. Let alone the fact that 1) just slightly more than half of the people registered as able to vote do actually vote 2) from those 55-65%, the party that is chosen by relative majority wins which means a party that got actually no more than 30% of the votes can win, and this often happens. Therefore you get, literally 1/4 or 1/5 of the population being politically represented....

Based on these premises, how do you assess the common belief of people?

In countries like Chile and Argentina the people that vote are even often less, sometimes less than 40-30% so the ruling political party literally just ends up representing 6-10% of the population.

In Europe the equation is pretty much repeated just with higher numbers and the inclusion of 2nd rounds and such shit.


Most people have no real political conviction or even identity, they just tend to choose whatever sounds more promising or at least less harmful, or what simply is new just to try.

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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Wed May 27, 2009 10:08 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:


In USA, the simple fact that the population flip-flops even within their two headed political system pretty much demonstrates that there's no general political conviction (let alone the lack of options) - it's just a "dems failed, choose reps; reps failed choose dems" repetition always.
Indeed MC-Z, but, it is a fact that the Democratic Party has 75 million(that's right, over 9000) registered members, and ze republican party 55 million.
Together over 100 million!
So I'd say its still a major center something.

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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Thu May 28, 2009 2:29 am

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:


In USA, the simple fact that the population flip-flops even within their two headed political system pretty much demonstrates that there's no general political conviction (let alone the lack of options) - it's just a "dems failed, choose reps; reps failed choose dems" repetition always.
Indeed MC-Z, but, it is a fact that the Democratic Party has 75 million(that's right, over 9000) registered members, and ze republican party 55 million.
Together over 100 million!
So I'd say its still a major center something.
My point exactly.

Zealot dose make a point however.
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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:07 pm

"The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists."
-Winston Churchill
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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:23 pm

Tyrlop wrote:
"The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists."
-Winston Churchill
Yep.
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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:33 pm

Tyrlop wrote:
"The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists."
-Winston Churchill

And this is relevent to this thread in what way?

And nice, maybe but that into my sig.

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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:43 pm

AntiFa = Anti Fascists

Winston Churchil looked in to the grim dark future of the 2nd milenium and concludes that AntiFa will become fascist.
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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:05 pm

churchill allways chills.... is there anythng smart he hasnt said?
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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:56 pm

Liche wrote:
Winston Churchil looked in to the grim dark future of the 2nd milenium and concludes that AntiFa will become fascist.

I would bet he's referring to the fascistic nature of politics as they are. If he were to apply that to antifa, i'd have to say he's retarded.

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churchill allways chills.... is there anythng smart he hasnt said?

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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:34 pm

i was joking Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: AntiFa   Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:27 am

As Tyrlop said, its a joke.

Sorry if it offended you Sad

(I mean this sincerely, coming back it looked like it could be viewed as Sarcasm)
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