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PostSubject: International.   Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:33 am

I just saw the light of internationalism!
the only way for a good world is to make one world!
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:36 am

Good!
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:49 am

Internationalism is not "Homonationalism" nor Globalisation.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:03 pm

im a bisexual nothing wrong with being "homo"
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:28 pm

So this goes under Socialist or Communist? oO
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:13 pm

mattabesta wrote:
I just saw the light of internationalism!
the only way for a good world is to make one world!


I knew you'd see it my way!

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PostSubject: Re: International.   Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:14 pm

aaaaah a Trotskyist? Gut, veri gut
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:51 am

kahnsguard wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
I just saw the light of internationalism!
the only way for a good world is to make one world!


I knew you'd see it my way!
What's the picture of the guy for?
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:53 am

He started the International?
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:53 am

Riddler wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
I just saw the light of internationalism!
the only way for a good world is to make one world!


I knew you'd see it my way!
What's the picture of the guy for?

Trotskyism is international socialism(i.e., Marxism) unlike Stalinism.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:16 am

oligarch wrote:
Riddler wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
I just saw the light of internationalism!
the only way for a good world is to make one world!


I knew you'd see it my way!
What's the picture of the guy for?

Trotskyism is international socialism(i.e., Marxism) unlike Stalinism.
Stalinism is as well international. Trotskyism is cosmopolitan.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:24 am

Riddler wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Riddler wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
I just saw the light of internationalism!
the only way for a good world is to make one world!


I knew you'd see it my way!
What's the picture of the guy for?

Trotskyism is international socialism(i.e., Marxism) unlike Stalinism.
Stalinism is as well international. Trotskyism is cosmopolitan.

Stalinism socialism in one country not internationalism.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:40 am

Riddler wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Riddler wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
I just saw the light of internationalism!
the only way for a good world is to make one world!


I knew you'd see it my way!
What's the picture of the guy for?

Trotskyism is international socialism(i.e., Marxism) unlike Stalinism.
Stalinism is as well international. Trotskyism is cosmopolitan.

WTF? Stalin claimed to act for the well-being of USSR, he didn't care about other countries.

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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:27 am

If you're going to be a proponent of Stalinism then at least advocate Stalinism instead of claiming that Stalin held communist positions.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:10 am

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If you're going to be a proponent of Stalinism then at least advocate Stalinism instead of claiming that Stalin held communist positions.

Who are you referring to? I was merely stating that he wasn't internationalist.

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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:17 am

kahnsguard wrote:
oligarch wrote:
If you're going to be a proponent of Stalinism then at least advocate Stalinism instead of claiming that Stalin held communist positions.

Who are you referring to? I was merely stating that he wasn't internationalist.

Sorry, that was directed at Riddler.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:24 am

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Cary, are you a girl? Anyway... no one is speaking about sexuality here, "homo" means "the same". "Homonationalism" in my view is the mogenezation of countries into a single global country, something I would HATE.

As for the Stalin issue. Since Stalin did send aid to the Spanish Republic, defacto he helped another "socialist" country. And so his internationalism could be argued, else the creation of the Comintern could as well be seen that way.
As far as I'm concerned about the "socialism in one country" doctrine, is not that "Socialism should only be in one country" but "Socialism can work in one country".

In the case of USSR, had there been any real attempt to stablish socialism and so communism, it would have been true for the nearly autharcic nature of the USSR, countries like Cuba in the other hand hardly apply for such a doctrine.

The doctrine could be taken as internationalist from this perspective: Once socialism succeeds in one country, taht country will serve as the spearhead for the internationalisation of socialism, that is, socialism will spread because given its success in that country and even more if several countries develop a similar doctrine simultaneously.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:59 am

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As for the Stalin issue. Since Stalin did send aid to the Spanish Republic, defacto he helped another "socialist" country. And so his internationalism could be argued, else the creation of the Comintern could as well be seen that way.
As far as I'm concerned about the "socialism in one country" doctrine, is not that "Socialism should only be in one country" but "Socialism can work in one country".

That's what he claimed but not what was practiced. Spain was a preemptive move against fascism as WW2 would soon break out and not because of internationalism. The Comintern was internationalist but it betrayed the proletariat under Stalin.

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The doctrine could be taken as internationalist from this perspective: Once socialism succeeds in one country, taht country will serve as the spearhead for the internationalisation of socialism, that is, socialism will spread because given its success in that country and even more if several countries develop a similar doctrine simultaneously.

Although the Soviet Union often confronted imperialism it did not make a solid attempt to establish international socialism.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:07 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
i am bisexual there's nothing wrong with being homo

Cary, are you a girl? Anyway... no one is speaking about sexuality here, "homo" means "the same". "Homonationalism" in my view is the mogenezation of countries into a single global country, something I would HATE.


no, im a boy.

and WHY! that would be awsome Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:05 am

cary jebus wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
i am bisexual there's nothing wrong with being homo

Cary, are you a girl? Anyway... no one is speaking about sexuality here, "homo" means "the same". "Homonationalism" in my view is the mogenezation of countries into a single global country, something I would HATE.


no, im a boy.

and WHY! that would be awsome Very Happy

The government would be unitarian, regionalism is better.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:03 pm

1 goverment dosnt mean that goverment has to be uniteran
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:21 pm

My internationalism is as follows.
capitalism has winners and loosers becuse one cuntry is usally bound to give someone else more than it gets or revers.
cuntries think for themselvs and not others this needs to go away.
millatary regime and dictatorships go bye, ye becuse noone can revolt aginst 6,8 billion pepole.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:34 pm

mattabesta wrote:
My internationalism is as follows.
capitalism has winners and loosers becuse one cuntry is usally bound to give someone else more than it gets or revers.
cuntries think for themselvs and not others this needs to go away.
millatary regime and dictatorships go bye, ye becuse noone can revolt aginst 6,8 billion pepole.


That is if those 6,800 million people accept capitalism.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:44 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
My internationalism is as follows.
capitalism has winners and loosers becuse one cuntry is usally bound to give someone else more than it gets or revers.
cuntries think for themselvs and not others this needs to go away.
millatary regime and dictatorships go bye, ye becuse noone can revolt aginst 6,8 billion pepole.


That is if those 6,800 million people accept capitalism.
well I think it dosen't matter it just needs democracy.
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PostSubject: Re: International.   Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:51 pm

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well I think it dosen't matter it just needs democracy.

The only way someone can try to revolt against a group is if that group is united. That is 6,800 million people accepting the system yoiu propose.
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