Pittsburgh's G-20 Protest

One sign simply said "I'm mad as hell."

I kinda laughed at that one.

Anywats, I disagree with this protest, I mean throw in shop windows? Throw rocks and bottles? Just have a peaceful protest for once, jesus pirate loving christ. They can screw themselves for that, I mean throwing in shop windows is bullshit enough, I just dont like riots I guess, mainly cuz innocent people get to suffer from it cuz some douchebags are throwing shit inot their windows, or smashing and burning your car, and thats not only for these anarchist and commies, but for all them fuckheads who do that shit.

So yeah, I dont like it much, and shit what will it achieve, they always "protest" every year and nothing happends, G-20 just goes along.

restoring the economy is BAD! food is bad, things are bad!

I dont know BC,

to me it seems like a bunch of assholes letting their rage out. You realize this is doing no damnage to capitalism or corporations, maybe $2,000 in repairs but thats it. The ones who are suffering are the workers of the buisness, who well get the price of repairs deducted from their paychecks. Id be fine if they went to ExOn Corporate Headquarters, or McDonalds Corporate Headquarters, and broke the windows. But this? This is just an angry mob of sterotypical Pitsburg citizens. Ive seen this much at hockey games when the Washington Capitals beat the Pitsburg Penguins. I mean really? They need to take this one step at a time, not go out and throw rocks at every Fast Food restaurant and Convenience store they see. Not to mention, these guys make all Anti Capitalists look like violent assholes who care more about the revolution than the people.

Liche wrote:

I dont know BC,

to me it seems like a bunch of assholes letting their rage out. You realize this is doing no damnage to capitalism or corporations, maybe $2,000 in repairs but thats it. The ones who are suffering are the workers of the buisness, who well get the price of repairs deducted from their paychecks. Id be fine if they went to ExOn Corporate Headquarters, or McDonalds Corporate Headquarters, and broke the windows. But this? This is just an angry mob of sterotypical Pitsburg citizens. Ive seen this much at hockey games when the Washington Capitals beat the Pitsburg Penguins. I mean really? They need to take this one step at a time, not go out and throw rocks at every Fast Food restaurant and Convenience store they see. Not to mention, these guys make all Anti Capitalists look like violent assholes who care more about the revolution than the people.

Briljant.

i was just about to go there, but nah, i dont want to be smashed by the police, i much rather sit here and play with myself

CoolKidX wrote:

Anywats, I disagree with this protest, I mean throw in shop windows? Throw rocks and bottles? Just have a peaceful protest for once, jesus pirate loving christ.

You obviously haven't studied with due-diligence the effect that pacifistic revolutionary praxis has on the state (Nil). Besides, protesting within the confines of police rules legitimates their system and plays directly into their hands. The police and the bourgeoisie would love to see us peaceful, docile, and pliable, because that makes it easier for them to exercise their monopoly of force against us.

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They can screw themselves for that, I mean throwing in shop windows is bullshit enough, I just dont like riots I guess, mainly cuz innocent people get to suffer from it cuz some douchebags are throwing shit inot their windows, or smashing and burning your car, and thats not only for these anarchist and commies, but for all them fuckheads who do that shit.

No personal property was damaged in this protest. An elderly lady was hurt, but that's not important because the police caused it, and they have only good intentions

And who are these innocent people who suffer? Capitalists? Hardly innocent.

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So yeah, I dont like it much, and shit what will it achieve, they always "protest" every year and nothing happends, G-20 just goes along.

And the alternative?

Protests make people aware that there is a problem, and that these protests won't stop until the problem is resolved. It shows the state for what it really is. It shows what capitalism is willing to do to perpetuate itself. It shows what is necessary to overcome them both.

At G-20 (G-7, G-8 ) the struggle becomes more accute and the chances of turning militant tactics into militant culture becomes a more likely prospect.

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You realize this is doing no damnage to capitalism or corporations, maybe $2,000 in repairs but thats it.

So naturally you can think of something better they could be doing with their time?

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The ones who are suffering are the workers of the buisness, who well get the price of repairs deducted from their paychecks.

Proof?

I've only ever heard of that happening to waiters at certain restaurants when people skip the check.

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Id be fine if they went to ExOn Corporate Headquarters, or McDonalds Corporate Headquarters, and broke the windows.

Why the contradiction?

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But this? This is just an angry mob of sterotypical Pitsburg citizens. Ive seen this much at hockey games when the Washington Capitals beat the Pitsburg Penguins.

I doubt it's the same people. And it's certainly not for the same reason.

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I mean really? They need to take this one step at a time, not go out and throw rocks at every Fast Food restaurant and Convenience store they see. Not to mention, these guys make all Anti Capitalists look like violent assholes who care more about the revolution than the people.

Violent protest isn't violent insurrection. They are taking it one step at a time as long as they're building community ties. If you're assuming that this is all they do with their time, i'd suggest you find out.

And of course, when you say 'the people', you mean the capitalists who own these businesses which were targeted. People have no real stake in a McDonalds.

The only thing that is disappointing about this protest is that more leftists weren't involved in the Black Bloc. The protest went all night, and if they had a larger group, they could've resisted the pigs more efficiently (not being divided, while dividing the cops resources) and possibly gotten closer to those G-20 whores. I appreciate the militant struggle of these leftists especially considering the struggle is harder in america where people benefit from and accept white skin and bourgeois privilage.

Black_Cross wrote:

Besides, protesting within the confines of police rules legitimates their system and plays directly into their hands. The police and the bourgeoisie would love to see us peaceful, docile, and pliable, because that makes it easier for them to exercise their monopoly of force against us.

No not really. A peaceful protest would be great cuz oh I dont know, it doesnt harm anyone. But you know, I guess commies dont care for that. And what the hell? The police AND the bourgeoisie are in the same party now? Ofcourse not, police are just reguler workers, doing their job, following the law and protecting it, which is set up by a government yes, but they just follow it, making their money. And if the bourgeoisie wants to be a peaceful protest just becuz it can then go on, then they would have banned a the right to protest already.

Black_Cross wrote:

No personal property was damaged in this protest. An elderly lady was hurt, but that's not important because the police caused it, and they have only good intentions

What did an elderly lady do there?

Black_Cross wrote:

And who are these innocent people who suffer? Capitalists? Hardly innocent.

Wow, this is really ignorant, I mean how do you know that those shop owners are all capitalists? What if they dont have workers but just run the shop alone, and just making money, or from a commie side "surviving".

And so you think its okay to do things to capitalists cause they do things to workers? So that means if a guy murders someone, he should be murdered, right. Its the same logic.

Black_Cross wrote:

Protests make people aware that there is a problem, and that these protests won't stop until the problem is resolved
It shows the state for what it really is.

How does it show how the state really is, and which one. And you realize your talking in the perspective of all protests, you should only speak of this commie protest.

bc wrote:

It shows what capitalism is willing to do to perpetuate itself. It shows what is necessary to overcome them both.

Yes its willing to protect its citzens to jackasses throwing stones into their windows, and its protecting cars from burning, protecting violence, its such a bitch right.

Tyrlop wrote:

i was just about to go there, but nah, i dont want to be smashed by the police, i much rather sit here and play with myself

Instead of contributing to this topic, I just have to admit that I giggled for like five minutes at this post.

I love Tyrlop.

Lets see where this will lead.

It is interesting that police often assasults passer bys or innocents.

It seems to me like they signed up for riot squad, because they are sadists and like to hurt people.

Or some poeple make mistakes, are people themselves, and Riot Squads mandate is to protect, and they think they're doing the right thing?

Kenzu wrote:

Lets see where this will lead.

It is interesting that police often assasults passer bys or innocents.

It seems to me like they signed up for riot squad, because they are sadists and like to hurt people.

Sorry Kenzu, I actually agree with Tyrong on this one. To be fair, yes, I'm sure there are several of them that probably do feel that way. However, I take it that most of them think that they are maintaining some sense of public order.

Although, let's be honest, they should really piss off and mind their own business when it comes to protests. I have never understood how a single human being could feel compelled to use force to silence another.

Kenzu wrote:

Lets see where this will lead.

It is interesting that police often assasults passer bys or innocents.

It seems to me like they signed up for riot squad, because they are sadists and like to hurt people.

The riot police warns over 9000 times to get the hell out cuz then you can arrested, I bet we all saw that on the news or just a video of it. So yeah they need to GTFaway otherwise they beat yo' arse.

Also, haha I cant help but think what G20 Leaders thought of us Americans when they say the riots.

But yea Kenzu. I dont man, no offence but youve got a lot to learn. I still remember that time you proposed that America should get a new anthem (the one you made) when we become Communist. Not only did I find that Narciscistic, but thats what makes Americans hate Communists. We love our Anthem, were proud of it and its history. Most cops on riot squads didnt chose to go there, their there because thats where the state placed them, I dont know how it is in Austria, but here in Police and Military, your placed within a field you succeed in. Mos Riot Officers are probably depressed, because of the hatred the public has for them. Their probably angry, short tempered individuals, who cant be detectives because their temper clouds there judgement. They would probably gladly assist with the revolution if they knew what we wanted.

But dont worry, I love you Kenzu.

CoolKidX wrote:

No not really.

'Not really'... what?

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A peaceful protest would be great cuz oh I dont know, it doesnt harm anyone.

That's it? And what does it accomplish? What's its utility? People don't just protest to get their kicks, they protest in order to make progress.

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And what the hell? The police AND the bourgeoisie are in the same party now?

They've never been seperated. Read.

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Ofcourse not, police are just reguler workers, doing their job, following the law and protecting it, which is set up by a government yes, but they just follow it, making their money.

And putting down their working class brothers and sisters. That's why they're hated.

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And if the bourgeoisie wants to be a peaceful protest just becuz it can then go on, then they would have banned a the right to protest already.

They do it a lot. Class struggle is where our freedoms came from; it's the ruling class aqcuiescing what they feel they have to in order to prevent an excacerbated class war.

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What did an elderly lady do there?

Protesting G-20

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Wow, this is really ignorant, I mean how do you know that those shop owners are all capitalists?

Did you read the article? Did you notice which companies were targeted? Ya, they're capitalists.

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What if they dont have workers but just run the shop alone, and just making money, or from a commie side "surviving".

Then they weren't involved and this comment is irrelevant.

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And so you think its okay to do things to capitalists cause they do things to workers? So that means if a guy murders someone, he should be murdered, right. Its the same logic.

It's the same on your terms. But the former doesn't reflect my logic.

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How does it show how the state really is, and which one.

It shows that the state is violent and repressive.

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And you realize your talking in the perspective of all protests, you should only speak of this commie protest.

I'm leaving out nonviolent protest because they are strategically inferior.

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Yes its willing to protect its citzens to jackasses throwing stones into their windows, and its protecting cars from burning, protecting violence, its such a bitch right.

So you admit that they hold property rights over those of people. At least we're on the same page.

Liche wrote:

Also, haha I cant help but think what G20 Leaders thought of us Americans when they say the riots.

Probably something like "they're much more passive and less strategic than in England"

(kind of off topic) BC have you seen/heard of the scheduled "Revolutions" in Rome? At least once a month (on weekends because these "true communists"~sarcasm dont want to miss work) "Communist" Revolutionaries (looking for an excuse to party) get drunk together, and when their about to pass out they just go home, and continue work the following week.

Also, depending how you look at them, Police are part of the proletariat, they are even more so exploited than your average worker, and have the impression the Bourgeois are on their side (which apparently many of you guys do to).

Liche wrote:

(kind of off topic) BC have you seen/heard of the scheduled "Revolutions" in Rome? At least once a month (on weekends because these "true communists"~sarcasm dont want to miss work) "Communist" Revolutionaries (looking for an excuse to party) get drunk together, and when their about to pass out they just go home, and continue work the following week.

I haven't. You explained why i likely didn't hear about it though; it's not important. I would hope that this isn't all the activity they're involved in. If they can all come together and get plowed, certainly they could get together to do some community/workplace organizing.

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Also, depending how you look at them, Police are part of the proletariat, they are even more so exploited than your average worker, and have the impression the Bourgeois are on their side (which apparently many of you guys do to).

They're certainly closer to the working class than to the bourgeoisie; the problem is that their lack of political consciousness (likely due to indoctrination) leads them to believe that what they do is keeping the peace -- rather than perpetuating disorder -- and serving the 'public' -- rather than the ruling class.

And as far as the police mentality goes; i certainly don't think they're sadists (some are, whether consciously or not), but they're authoritarian position in society is bound to make an impression upon their psyche; what repercussions that has on their own life as well as on society differs from case to case.

Do you have any info on what these protestors believe? Its just there are so many douche bag idiots out there protesting for fun (like those Italians I told you about) Ive sort of lost faith.

^^^ The Black Bloc is always composed of mostly anarchists. Generally communist and other collectivists, but i'm sure there are some individualists strewn about. The only way you can tell ideology is by the flags and banners they carry.

EDIT: And those people in Italy can't even be considered protesters if they're getting drunk.

Liche wrote:

Do you have any info on what these protestors believe? Its just there are so many douche bag idiots out there protesting for fun (like those Italians I told you about) Ive sort of lost faith.

that is bs, there is always people like that, we people in the west have never tried how hunger feels, starvation, war and allot of other thing actually feels like, thats why some people are naive and maybe use this situations to have a good time, and why shouldn't they be allowed to get drunk? As long as the rest of the protesters condemns them

Well said Tyrlop.

Liche: I found the best report on Pittsburgh's G-20

http://www.crimethinc.com/texts/recentfeatures/g20.php

I know it's crimethinc (eww) but it's just an article, not a manifesto, so it's fine.

And you can see in the pictures they provide the flags and banners i was referring to.