| Josip Broz Tito | |
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+9Black_Cross mattabesta Watermelon Voice of Reason Zealot_Kommunizma Renegade_Kautsky oligarch revolution Kenzu 13 posters |
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Do you like Tito? | Yes! | | 72% | [ 13 ] | I don't know who he is. | | 6% | [ 1 ] | No! | | 22% | [ 4 ] |
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Kenzu Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1842 Join date : 2007-08-17 Age : 36 Location : Austria - Vienna
| Subject: Josip Broz Tito Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:05 pm | |
| -He organised anti fascist movement in Yugoslavia, defeated Nazies before the Red Army arrived.
-He built the most liberal socialist country in the world.
-People in Yugoslavia could start their own businesses and at the same time education and health care was free. Yugoslavia is by many people seen as the best country of the 20th century.
-He was the only one to resist Stalins will.
-His people could travel freely to any country they desired.
-Yugoslavians had the highes living standard in the whole world until the day the independence war tore the country apart. | |
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revolution Member of the WR Committee
Posts : 1042 Join date : 2007-10-15 Age : 30 Location : Yanqui central
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:50 pm | |
| I've heard some pretty nasty stories about this guy. | |
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oligarch Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1643 Join date : 2008-01-31
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:10 am | |
| It's true he wasn't great but he was one of the better socialist leaders of the time. Plus he gets my respect for founding the NAM. | |
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Renegade_Kautsky Worker of the World Republic
Posts : 363 Join date : 2008-02-16 Location : In the belly of the beast
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:08 am | |
| Tito wasn't good. He was completely undemocratic! Then again Yugoslavia was probably better off with him then they are now... I wouldn't put him in the Gulag, but don't kid yourselves, he's no hero. | |
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Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
Posts : 5413 Join date : 2007-12-06 Age : 35 Location : Mexico/Russia/Worl
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:59 pm | |
| He's the only "dictator" I have never heard people from his country complaint about.
Most critics of Tito are curiously Italian....
I have a Serbian friend, her name is Ksenja, she lived most of her youth in Yugoslavia, the only reason that made her leave was civil war. She even calls herself a "partisan" reffering to her alleigance with Titoism.
I've still got to do some research on Tito, however as far as I know he governed with an iron Fist that held Yugoslavia together and a prosperous nation.
Long live Yugoslavia!!! | |
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Voice of Reason Komsomol Member
Posts : 183 Join date : 2008-01-12
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:41 pm | |
| Tito wasn't the worst dictator in the world, I'll admit that.
But Jugoslawia never had a very high standard of living, Kenzu. Standard of living is always higher in capitalist nations. Well maybe in present day Slowenia people were not that bad off. | |
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Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
Posts : 5413 Join date : 2007-12-06 Age : 35 Location : Mexico/Russia/Worl
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:12 am | |
| - Voice of Reason wrote:
- Tito wasn't the worst dictator in the world, I'll admit that.
But Jugoslawia never had a very high standard of living, Kenzu. Standard of living is always higher in capitalist nations. Well maybe in present day Slowenia people were not that bad off. Since I don't agree with the mainstream understanding of a hgh or low standard of living, I ought to disagree this time too. First of all, Yugoslavia was still a capitalist nation, state-run, socialist tending, but capitalist nonetheless. Now, arguing that Yugoslavia was not a capitalist country and agreeing with the common understanding of how standards of living should be measured... Yugoslavia had a higher living standard than most nowadays capitalist nations. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:05 am | |
| my neighbor lived in yugoslavia under tito. while he was no none sense ruler, he did lead yugoslavia, and the current countries it is made up of, to the largest economic growth that they had ever experianced. gulag, no, but hero not quite. |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 29 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:41 am | |
| - Quote :
- Standard of living is always higher in capitalist nations.
Higher than what? Capitalist nations are the only kind that exist, and that have existed since feudalism. | |
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Kenzu Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1842 Join date : 2007-08-17 Age : 36 Location : Austria - Vienna
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:04 pm | |
| - Renegade_Kautsky wrote:
- Tito wasn't good. He was completely undemocratic! Then again Yugoslavia was probably better off with him then they are now...
I wouldn't put him in the Gulag, but don't kid yourselves, he's no hero. I talked to over 10 Yugoslavs and they all have high respect of him and they say he IS a hero. Some people say he ordered killings of innocent people, but there is no evidence of that, and the West likes to exaggerate a lot! - Voice of Reason wrote:
- Tito wasn't the worst dictator in the world, I'll admit that.
But Jugoslawia never had a very high standard of living, Kenzu. Standard of living is always higher in capitalist nations. Well maybe in present day Slowenia people were not that bad off. GDP is higher in capitalist countries than in socialist countries. (because people in barbaric capitalist countries have to pay for basic things such as health care and education) Living standard was very high in all of East Europe, especially Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and maybe also East Germany. PS: USA has higher GDP per capita than EU, but the living standard in EU is higher than in USA. Think about that! | |
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts : 3936 Join date : 2007-12-23 Age : 29 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:05 pm | |
| tito was a hero even tho he was a communist, he trew out the nazis but I hear he wasn't as good later on making huge potrats of himself and stuff like that, ego pumpin. | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 29 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:18 am | |
| - Quote :
- ego pumpin.
You're one to talk, making new threads every 500 posts. | |
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts : 3936 Join date : 2007-12-23 Age : 29 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:26 am | |
| - Pannekoek wrote:
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- ego pumpin.
You're one to talk, making new threads every 500 posts. your comin close 500 now should I make one for you? | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 29 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:45 am | |
| You can if you want, I don't care. | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:35 am | |
| I said yes, because i believe the good outweighs the bad. Anti-Stalin and Anti-Nazi. He was good as far as dictators go. But i don't like titoism. | |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan Experienced Party Member
Posts : 974 Join date : 2008-02-03 Age : 33 Location : The Circle of Flow
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:15 am | |
| - Kenzu wrote:
- USA has higher GDP per capita than EU, but the living standard in EU is higher than in USA. Think about that!
The US has NEVER cared about it's people. So much so, that the corrupt government has effectively brainwashed the majority. Case and point: "Free Tibet" seperatists. lol | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:20 am | |
| he is a goddamn reformist capitalist
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 29 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:21 am | |
| That means tito not= hero. | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:15 pm | |
| - Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
- The US has NEVER cared about it's people. So much so, that the corrupt government has effectively brainwashed the majority.
Case and point: "Free Tibet" seperatists. lol True that. here's the new slogan: Fuck Tibet. Bourgeois pricks gettin all uppety cos they're not rich anymore... Screw off. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:17 pm | |
| - NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:
- Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
- The US has NEVER cared about it's people. So much so, that the corrupt government has effectively brainwashed the majority.
Case and point: "Free Tibet" seperatists. lol True that. here's the new slogan: Fuck Tibet. Bourgeois pricks gettin all uppety cos they're not rich anymore... Screw off. so when can i get that on a sign |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:40 pm | |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan Experienced Party Member
Posts : 974 Join date : 2008-02-03 Age : 33 Location : The Circle of Flow
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:26 pm | |
| I'll show up at the olympics with copies for all!! | |
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GeneCosta Young Pioneer
Posts : 16 Join date : 2008-05-23
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Fri May 23, 2008 8:59 am | |
| Yugoslavia was one of the most progressive countries in the world until the United States and Soviet Union collectively went after its financial market and encouraged the civil war.
As opposed to the Soviet Union and Albania:
1.) Abortion was legalized 2.) Collective bargaining and worker ownership was rabidly enforced 3.) The living conditions in Yugoslavia were comparable to West Europe 4.) Political dissent was encouraged | |
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Marx-Allende Pioneer Leader
Posts : 84 Join date : 2008-07-24 Age : 38 Location : San José, Costa Rica
| Subject: Re: Josip Broz Tito Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:57 pm | |
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