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PostSubject: "Libertarians"   Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:23 pm

bolded are things that i feel are hypocritical
Excerpt from a blog by a libertarian:
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Dear Republican Party,

In the next presidential election, and in all state and local elections, you need to support candidates who are true Republicans and genuine lovers of liberty. The party will not succeed if it does not run candidates who truly understand and respect the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights.

America was once a constitutionally limited republic, and it needs to be returned to that. In the past 100 years, and especially in the past 20 years, America has been reduced to a so-called “democracy”, where 51% of the people can rob and over-regulate 49% of the people.

A true constitutional republic could last in perpetuity; whereas democracies historically survive for 200 to 300 years. After that, they devolve into socialism or oligarchies, as the people who do not want to work vote into office people who will let them not work, and can pay them to do so by stealing from those who do work.

We are at a tipping point. America is in her 235th year. The next presidential election can determine if we regain our constitutional republic, or slide into a permanent “progressive” majority helmed by a deluded far-left who do not listen to the people, and are chomping at the bit to bankrupt us into a socialist oligarchy. Those folks see Republicans not as a force to work with in a bipartisan capacity, but as an impediment to robbing from the productive so they can “give” to those who have no desire or ability to produce.

If Washington followed the Constitution, it would barely matter who was president. The checks and balances would work. But ours has been co-opted into a popularity contest wherein people vote for the candidate with the slickest tongue and the shortest slogan….especially slogans like “HOPE” and “CHANGE.” As we’ve seen, these basically mean “Get me in, and you’ll find out my actual core beliefs later, when it’s too late.”

If the President and Congress followed the Constitution, DC would not be permitted to arbitrarily dictate most of what a citizen does in a given state. We need candidates who stand up for the Constitution, including the true meaning the Interstate Commerce Clause, and the original intent of all parts of the Bill of Rights, especially the First, Second and Tenth Amendments.

If the Republican Party establishment supports a spend-o-crat RINO (Republican in Name Only) in the next presidential election, you will guarantee a victory for the Democratic Party.

The Democrat Party used to have some principles, but has lately been taken over by a few dozen extreme leftist “progressives” with radical ideas and ties. They think they know what’s best for everyone, consider the Constitution a detriment, and consider Republicans a speed bump to be routed around behind closed doors.

America has woken up to the waste, “legal” stealing and “legal” bribes that can only lead to the destruction of America. The Democrats are largely responsible, but some Republicans have helped along the way. If you run a RINO for president, you will guarantee AINO (America in Name Only) in the near future, and forever.
The American people have finally woken up. Americans who have never been active in politics have taken to the streets by the millions. This is just the beginning.

The Democrats have been exposed for their gross spending of other people’s money at all levels, but in doing so have also shown that the Democrats aren’t the only ones. Some Republicans have contributed to this as well.

If you run a constitutional candidate like Gary Johnson, Tom Coburn, Jim DeMint, or Paul (Ron or Rand, take your pick) in the next presidential election, you’ll have a chance.

I’ll vote Republican, and help out. So will millions of libertarians, tea partiers, swing voters, independents and even some of the smarter disgruntled Democrats. All combined, this will be enough to make the difference in the outcome of that election.
But 2012 is likely the very last year where even this will be possible. The leftists are working 24/7 to stack the deck against the possibility of retaining any America in America.


The Republican Party needs to run constitutional candidates, not only because it’s the right thing to do, but because it will keep the party from being perceived as “irrelevant naysayers” without any of their own ideas on how to make the country better. Running constitutional candidates will keep you from becoming a footnote in history. And even that footnote will likely be erased with time when a permanent socialist majority takes control of all media and education.

This road to serfdom can possibly be avoided, but it’s up to the Republican Party. You must run Barry Goldwater candidates, not George W. Bush, John McCain, or Rudy Giuliani candidates.

Otherwise you’re going to end up with an America you don’t recognize, while you cling to your “Don’t blame me, I voted Republican” buttons.

Politics has become far too complicated. Lawmakers don’t think they’re doing their jobs if they don’t enact dozens of new laws and endless pork-barrel projects to “bring home the bacon” every day. This leads to honest folks becoming criminals, and the federal government having a stranglehold over every single aspect of our lives. We need candidates who will simplify, not complicate. We need candidates who will leash the beast, not feed the beast.


The Republican Party must run candidates who follow the Constitution and understand natural law… people who believe in their heart of hearts that government does not grant rights, does not restrict rights, but has only one legitimate role: protecting rights.

Our Founders are likely rolling in their graves at what the Democrats are doing now. But the Founders surely wouldn’t be pleased with what some in the Republican Party have done, either.

Why make us pick from the lesser of two evils? Here’s a novel idea: how about running someone who’s NOT evil!

Try it, you’ll like it. And America will be better for it.

Sincerely,
(won't disclose the name)
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:43 pm

Okay, cool.

But wouldn't it be better if you also could say why you think its hypocritical?

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:20 pm

I think you're supposed to read all the bold.

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:54 am

hmm weird this seems republican.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:25 pm

mattabesta wrote:
hmm weird this seems republican.
They are not progressive in any way - socially or otherwise. In fact, they are the second most reactionary and oppressive political group in America today (after the theocratic right... but the two movements are beginning to merge, anyway).

Look at the blog post I quoted, for example. It is all about the (largely imaginary) ideals of the "founding fathers", and the need to return to some equally imaginary golden age from the past. This alone should be enough to show the reactionary character of libertarianism: It is all about returning to the past. It is an ideology that seeks to erase the 20th century from history, and return us to the 19th.

But the blog post goes further, and reveals another deeply reactionary aspect of libertarianism: It is virulently and outspokenly anti-democratic. Libertarians never waste an opportunity to talk about how the people are stupid and don't know what's good for themselves, so we can't trust them to vote for any candidates they like - we must force them to choose only between libertarian candidates. That is the meaning of all that crap about "returning to constitutional principles". Libertarians want to impose their preferred form of government on everyone else, in the name of liberty. They claim that this preferred form of government of theirs should be accepted by all because it provides freedom, but their version of "freedom" includes the strict enforcement of private property laws on everyone, whether they like it or not. A libertarian government would be nothing less than an iron fist in the service of the property owners - the capitalists.

That is why I say that libertarianism is the new fascism in America. Libertarians want to go back to an (imaginary) golden age from the past, they despise democracy and the popular will, and they want to use the government to enforce the rule of capital and crush the working class. Oh yes, they are fascists.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:51 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
I think you're supposed to read all the bold.
I know...

But he says that the bald are the things he thinks are hypocritical and then I would like to know WHY he thinks that.

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:41 pm

CoolKidX wrote:
But he says that the bald are the things he thinks are hypocritical and then I would like to know WHY he thinks that.
The funniest thing about Libertarians is how they want to go back to "the way things were" in the 19th century, and how they really, really hate the labor movement...but are unable to connect the fact that the bullshit free market principles they support would only light another big fire under the American labor movement if they were to be put back into practice.

As much as I hate Libertarianism, I'm still to be convinced that much of the increase in support is anything more than just a political fad...get the Repubs back in the White House and majority in Congress and I guess we'll see what's really up.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:33 pm

well trylop one can understand why they hate the labour movement given the fact that it's slowly killing americas manufacturing base and what dose not leave the country goes to the southren states where the labour movement is weaker, YET they get the same pay the reason ppl don't like unions n shit is because they fuck shit up and strike this can put medium sized manufacturers out of business and seriously sap the strength of larger ones.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:53 am

The problem tends to be poorly managed unions, going right to striking instead of trying to talk and striking over the dumbest shit, and stubborn managers not willing to budge on ANYTHING when they DO start with negotiation.

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:06 am

I don't know how it is in CA but here in the US people hate Unions. The Unions need to reach out to the people. What your saying would help to, a lot of people see them striking over dumb shit, and think Union leaders are idiots.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:55 am

That's why a lot of America hates them.

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:44 am

I don't like Libertarians.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:36 am

I am surprised that everyone here agrees that Libertarians are fascists. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:11 am

How I see it.

Communism=anarchy without money.

Libertairianism=anarchy with money

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:54 am

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
How I see it.

Communism=anarchy without money.

Libertairianism=anarchy with money

Truth.

Also, Tyrong, I wouldn't say they're Fascists. I don't like Fascists, and I also don't like Libertarians.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:00 pm

What didn't you like again?

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:11 am

anarchists remind me of something.
there is an active anarchist commonity here in Iceland and they go around destroying stuff ruining construction equipment and throwing paint at representatives of Alcoa.

except the construction equipment was being used to build a new road to the university and the Alcoa booth was about renewable energy, they are quite counter-productive in there work.
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:16 am

Is there anarchism in Haiti?
Why?

Becuz its kind of the strongest survive, there has been raids by groups armed with machetes and bats and take shit, like food and stuff. :O

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:45 am

CoolKidX wrote:
What didn't you like again?

I don't like ANYTHING. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:04 am

WeiWuWei wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:
What didn't you like again?

I don't like ANYTHING. Sad

I think that means your life.
haha the corporationshavesuccess
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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:46 pm

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:18 pm

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bullshit excuse for USA to send 8000 troops to Haiti.
Ofcourse people will steal from the ruined shops and stores, if there is no food. Ofcourse they will try to steal it from the rich people.

No just help packages, food packages from the sky which the UN dropped, with food, and then people grab that shit, and then a raid of people with bats and shit come and take it. Strongest gets it. No rich people, no stores, just help from other countries, that food, is getting raided.

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:55 pm

Is there a PROBLEM with sending 8000 troops? How else will supplies get distributed?

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:10 pm

Yeah its not like its over 9000.

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PostSubject: Re: "Libertarians"   Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:18 am

CoolKidX wrote:
Yeah its not like its over 9000.

That would literally be impossible because our power level is not maximum.

Maybe Broly can send that many troops.
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