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PostSubject: Very simply   Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:58 am

Very simply, I'm a communist. Although I may be young, the future rests with the young; and I'm no communist because communism sounds "cool". No, I'm a communist because communism creates an equal society where the distribution of property and freedoms is not according to your class, where a community with relationship between its citizens exists to benefit the whole community rather than benefit a few bourgeoisie who enslave the workers, oppress them and dissolve their universal development of individual and collective capacities.

The Soviet Union was a great place. My parents loved to tell me stories, ever since I was child. Maybe this is why I'm such a fan of communism and the USSR; because of the equality it heralded, the kind of people it created, and the sense of community that existed. A community like no other. Capitalism has taught me that a market economy means a market society, that the class distribution of property means the class distribution of freedoms; that the sale of our labor power is a relationship of exploitation and inequality- capitalism exploits the worker who is essential to society; where for 1 rich there are thousands poor; where a large barrier exists between the classes - inequality. In communism, people have much more respect for each other, live together and have the desire to work together to benefit the community.
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:51 am

I hope Maks bothers to translate it, supposing that he doesn't speak English.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:05 am

The liquidation of the kulaks.
The suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of '56.
The suppression of the Prague Spring of '68.
The suppression of the Polish trade union Solidarity.
etc...
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:36 am

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The liquidation of the kulaks.
The suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of '56.
The suppression of the Prague Spring of '68.
The suppression of the Polish trade union Solidarity.
etc...

Not like mistakes can't be avoided. In fact that's what we humans thrive on - on learning from our mistakes.

Also, Solidarity was more a western-states' puppet against the USSR than actually a genuine trade union.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:46 am

USSR was a shit whole...but so is everywhere else.
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:24 am

Liche wrote:
USSR was a shit whole...but so is everywhere else.

If I had to go for a shithole, USSR would be my shithole.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:42 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Liche wrote:
USSR was a shit whole...but so is everywhere else.

If I had to go for a shithole, USSR would be my shithole.


i would go here
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:05 am

Castrograd all the way!

But in all seriousness, Im considering going to Castrograd after I get culinary training.
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:01 pm

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Castrograd all the way!

But in all seriousness, Im considering going to Castrograd after I get culinary training.

You could find work at a glorious Hilton hotel there!

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:06 am

ya probably Razz

I'd probably be better off staying in the DC area, like CKX said one time "On todays menu: REVOLUTION!"
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:23 am

Venezuela all the way, any day.

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WeiWuWei wrote:
The liquidation of the kulaks.
The suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of '56.
The suppression of the Prague Spring of '68.
The suppression of the Polish trade union Solidarity.
etc...

Not like mistakes can't be avoided. In fact that's what we humans thrive on - on learning from our mistakes.

Also, Solidarity was more a western-states' puppet against the USSR than actually a genuine trade union.

Yo man, that's a little harsh calling the mass-killing of an entire class of people and the suppression of popular political movements as "mistakes."

On your second point, I can see what you mean. I wouldn't call it a puppet of the West, but I would certainly say that they were a pretty moderate union. And they were supported by the Catholic Church, which is kind of iffy for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:06 am

WeiWuWei wrote:
Venezuela all the way, any day.

USSR=grilled steak
Venezuela=bacon.


WWW wrote:

Yo man, that's a little harsh calling the mass-killing of an entire class of people and the suppression of popular political movements as "mistakes."

As for the mass killing, I will assume that you refer to the famines caused, among other things, by the collectivizations. I doubt that these famines were intentional but rather product of a poor management of resources. As I said somewhere else, Stalin was simply a master of idiotic resources' management.

As for the repression of political movements, as far as I know they were greatly composed by nationalists. If I have to choose between Nationalist, Capitalists statists and Pseudosocialist Capitalist statists, I have to go for the latter.

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On your second point, I can see what you mean. I wouldn't call it a puppet of the West,
Considering the amount of Financing they got from western european statesand that they actually served the western agenda...

WWW wrote:

but I would certainly say that they were a pretty moderate union. And they were supported by the Catholic Church, which is kind of iffy for me.

.... and that they were massively supported by the catholic church (which also supported nationalist movements in Yugoslavia, including the ethnical cleanser Chetniks)...

In my view they just form part together with the Chetniks and other movements of the products of Western intervention in the pseudosocialist Eastern Europe.

And again, if I have to choose between pseudosocialist and outright cappies and nationalists, I go for pseudosocialists.

I pretty much see it like football matches with the exception that they have serious implications.

Both sides are my enemies, but one is more likeable.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:30 pm

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that they actually served the western agenda...
By which you mean they wanted the same thing? That doesn't mean they were puppets.

As for the famines, some WERE a blatant attempt to eliminate some groups. Most were Staling pulling a Bush,, but some were purposeful.

And no I don't think he was even talking about the faimes. Reporters dissapearing, polital oponents suffering "accidents", etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:41 pm

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that they actually served the western agenda...
By which you mean they wanted the same thing? That doesn't mean they were puppets.

Not only wanting the same thing but actually doing as told by those behind the Ostpolitik. The Catholic Church was so involved in that damned thing that many have dared to say that JPII brought those pseudosocialists down.

A genuine union of such magnitude would have acted in a much different way and, who knows, may have actually transformed Poland into an actually socialist country and may have even had influence over other Eastern Bloc nations and who knows maybe even over the USSR later on.

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As for the famines, some WERE a blatant attempt to eliminate some groups. Most were Staling pulling a Bush,, but some were purposeful.

I definitely doubt that, specially taking into consideration the fact that in those years there were quite severe droughts. Plus, if you got land and food, you don't just surrender enough to starve. If you're going to be deprived of food to an extent sufficient for your starvation you'll simply fight to avoid that, literally your options are die or die so what can you lose? I really, really doubt that starvations were intentional and were more a product of Stalin's shortsighted management of resources and droughts.

TK wrote:

And no I don't think he was even talking about the faimes. Reporters dissapearing, polital oponents suffering "accidents", etc.

He said "mass killing of an entire class". That's a very particular event and "entire class" is a very particular target. So no I don't think he was referring to the victims of political repression.

Also, in Stalin's time there was no such thing as a "political opponent" per se. Basically he targets of that were whatever person he considered could harness enough influence to topple him and, due to his paranoia, the numbers of such were literally on the hundreads of thousands.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:55 pm

Just for the record, I was referring to the mass-killing of the kulaks, but I should have also mentioned the purging of the Communist Party as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:59 pm

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Plus, if you got land and food, you don't just surrender enough to starve. If you're going to be deprived of food to an extent sufficient for your starvation you'll simply fight to avoid that, literally your options are die or die so what can you lose?
Very logical way of considering that. And people are ALWAYS logical.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:02 am

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Plus, if you got land and food, you don't just surrender enough to starve. If you're going to be deprived of food to an extent sufficient for your starvation you'll simply fight to avoid that, literally your options are die or die so what can you lose?
Very logical way of considering that. And people are ALWAYS logical.

Well that's already grounds for speculation.

Would it really count as mass killing if they simply surrendered their food? I don't think so. Besides, they were farmers, they produced that food, they knew perfectly how much they would have needed to store and how much would have been too much to give away. If they knew how something worked, that's how their food production worked. I don't think that one can reasonably think they wouldn't have known and considered when it was too much surrendering.

And, if forced to surrender I just think it'd be ridiculous to assume they wouldn't struggle. "Here, have all my food, I guess I'll just starve to death over there". Yeah right.

Did they let themselves to die? I doubt it. Did the Soviet government shoot them all? Nope.

As for the purges... well, expected from vanguard-reliant systems.

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PostSubject: Re: Very simply   Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:04 pm

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Did the Soviet government shoot them all? Nope.
Threatening to shoot someone isn't shooting them, correct.

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