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PostSubject: Idea of the Soviet Council   Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:01 am

I think its actually a pretty good idea, the USSR just corrupted it, and didn't really give it a chance. What are your guys thoughts on it?
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:27 am

Never even heard of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:00 pm

Actually "Soviet" is Russian for "council" so...


Look, organizing the economy in "soviets" or councils of workers could definitely work. In fact I am entirely sure it would have worked in the USSR if not for the vanguardists, which as you know is where I believe corruption stems from.

I believe that a council-based organizational scheme for economy could work by having something like a central coordination mechanism. That is, as I have thought about it, a decentralized system of councils in which each council has one representative that would serve exclusively as an "ambassador" with no authority whatsoever whose function would be merely to represent his/her council before the rest of the councils whithin something like a "Greater Council" which is where all the councils would simply coordinate with each other. It would be more of a meeting center for councils rather than an entity with authority over them.

Such a system would be useful for all economic purposes and, in case of still having the threat of war with coercitive entities or with states it would also help to coordinate defense as well as, if required, asistance to workers beyond the territory controlled by these councils.

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:05 am

I think the Vanguard should be dissolved after the revolution. But yea, that seems to be on what the same premise of what I was thinking Smile

I actually thought of an idea like this before I knew the USSR had it set in place. Good to know great socialist minds think alike.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:19 am

If the soviets can somehow be kept separate from other political units, I think that they would work fine. An interesting thing to consider is the idea of these councils functioning as more than simply economic institutions. I don't see why they cannot also fill the power vacuum of a post-state society as being the primary political organizations as well.

We certainly see this in the example of the Soviet Union. In the final years of World War I, Kerensky's provisional government (if it can even be so-called a government) had almost no power. Most of the political legitimacy - or, at least, most people felt that political legitimacy - lay in the soviets, and, in fact, the soviets took it to command troops and perform other political functions at some points.

The councils were primarily democratic institutions based on consensus decision-making. However, each of them fell under the influence of some political bloc or another (keep in mind, however, that despite their name the Bolsheviks really didn't have many soviets under their influence). I think if they were allowed to remain autonomous, they would be reasonably sufficient means of social organization.

Just from my understanding of Russian history at this time, I've always come to this conclusion.

EDIT: Also, this inherently implies the absence of ANY political party, vanguardic or not. Firefox is telling me that "vanguardic" isn't a word, but Firefox is stupid, so I'm keeping it.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:29 am

I agree with Wei. In fact, soviets could simply become the basis of the entire political, economical and organizational structure.

Something like what Gaddafi claims Lybia to be, just well done.

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EDIT: Also, this inherently implies the absence of ANY political party, vanguardic or not. Firefox is telling me that "vanguardic" isn't a word, but Firefox is stupid, so I'm keeping it.

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:16 am

Yea, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Council Communism. I still support the idea of a Vanguard to jump start the revolution.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:48 am

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Yea, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Council Communism. I still support the idea of a Vanguard to jump start the revolution.

And why would you need a vanguard if you have a network of councils that can actually start the revolution?

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:44 am

Because we don't have a network of councils....I'm fine with the idea though.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:05 am

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Because we don't have a network of councils....I'm fine with the idea though.

Let's fucking create them. For real. A solid network of councils of workers coordinated could simply bring down capitalism altogether even without the so called (and feared) power vacuum, and perhaps even with what many conceive as a "bloody revolution".

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:04 am

Sounds like a plan.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:29 am

If you don't have a plan, no plan can fail.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:03 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
If you don't have a plan, no plan can fail.

Yeah, you can't die if you were never alive. Why spamming?

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:07 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
If you don't have a plan, no plan can fail.
"100% of all shots not taken are missed."
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:01 am

Liche said " Sounds like a plan." so I said " If you don't have a plan, no plan can fail."
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:03 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
Liche said " Sounds like a plan." so I said " If you don't have a plan, no plan can fail."
Sounds pretty reactionary to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:18 am

It's just a quote my British friends showed me.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:52 pm

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
It's just a quote my British friends showed me.
And with which purpose would you post it here?

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:59 am

In response to Liche's post, "Sounds like a plan".
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:56 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
In response to Liche's post, "Sounds like a plan".

With which purpose?

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:56 am

To respond to his post.
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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:38 am

Implying what and what for?

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:37 pm

Zealot, stop asking stupid questions just to bug him. He said it because he he heard it before and thought he was being a smart ass. He failed. End of story. Shut up.

You really need to learn to let this shit go sometimes, dude.

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:43 pm

I would like to have his reply, I'm not trying to bug him. At all.

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PostSubject: Re: Idea of the Soviet Council   Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:06 pm

Yes you are. He said it because he heard it and thought it would be clever to say in that situation. That's all.

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