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PostSubject: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:08 am

thats what i think
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:48 pm

So if your country's status quo is actually the most beneficial status possible for the vast majority of its population (thusly for your nation), would dissidence still be patriotic?

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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:31 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
So if your country's status quo is actually the most beneficial status possible for the vast majority of its population (thusly for your nation), would dissidence still be patriotic?
Celebrate the positives, but acknowledge the negatives to try to make the country better. If such a country existed, it probably couldn't;t be patriotic. But in this era, I think this statement makes sense. maybe not in the future, but right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:05 am

I'm just saying this statement is not universally or always true.

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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:23 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
I'm just saying this statement is not universally or always true.
Until there is a country like that, this statement is true, yes?
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:40 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
Until there is a country like that, this statement is true, yes?

Acknowledging defects doesn't mean you're a dissident.

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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:29 am

Does acknowledging and then trying to fix them make you one?
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:57 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
Does acknowledging and then trying to fix them make you one?

Nope.

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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:58 pm

Dissidence: Disagreement, as of opinion or belief; dissent.

Dissent(to better understand Dissidence): to differ in sentiment or opinion, especially from the majority; withhold assent; disagree.

Acknowledgement: Recognition of the existence or truth of something.

Two very different things.
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:54 am

Ackowledge teh fucking probelsm in your country and try to fix them rather then going 'my country is so badass'
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:28 am

Huh?
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:50 am

patriots should "insert what i just said here"
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:09 am

Well isn't patriotism about being proud of your country and rant about how great it is.
So how is it the highest form of patriotism when you need to acknowledge a problem in your country.

If you asked what the problem is in America to patriots they'll probably say "liberals" lol.

But anyways, if you want the best for your country then yeah you need to acknowledge that there are problems and you should do the best to give an answer to those problems.

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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:15 am

Hwat i got was : Definitions of patriot on the Web:

one who loves and defends his or her country
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

If you love you country like a true patriot, you would don't always love it because its so good, but rather because its your country. Because you love it you probably want to fix its problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:30 am

And that doesn't make you a dissident, country-wise for you're not disagreeing with your country or with its existance, you're merely disagreeing with either its status quo, its government or a certain situation affecting it, not with a characteristic intrinsic to it.

And, CKX, what you describe resembles more nationalism than patriotism.

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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:38 am

alright so dissidence was maybe the wrong word to use, but do you get what im saying?
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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:35 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
alright so dissidence was maybe the wrong word to use, but do you get what im saying?


Yes, just it's not dissidence.

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PostSubject: Re: Dissidence is the highest form of patriotism   Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:42 am

alright.
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