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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:06 am

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If they want to work for less money than they deserve, then that's their business. They could quit, in fact they could all quit. The employer would have to pay them more in order to keep the business going. When you have a job, it's not like you're forced to work there. You do it because you want to.

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but isn't the owner of the factory a part of society, I mean he worked hard and built a factory and hiers people to work in the factory.



First: The working class become dependent on the the exploitation of the Capitalist, Due to the competitive nature of the market wages become lower while the work load becomes higher, this is done both to reduce expense and maximize profit. The worker can choose between unemployment and exploitation, it is in the interest of the capitalist to keep the worker on the brink of poverty - this is known as wage slavery and is a key component of capitalism. Furthermore the worker can in no way progress through society ie education since his/her wage only serves to provide them with food, shelter and distraction.

Second: The owner of the factory is a capitalist and gains wealth from the labor others without working him/herself. Marx states in his 'theory of alienation' that the capitalist class expropriate the surplus created by others.

Before you can understand the implications of this theory you are in no position to criticize Marxism.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:24 am

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I don't quite agree, I always saw the Marxist perspective being that the worker is entitled to an equal share of what society produces:[quote steel

Marx maintains that the labor of the worker belongs to the worker and the capitalist has no stake in it, implementation of this idea would end the market economy because without exploitation and profit capitalism can no longer function.

As a result work is no longer used to feed the interest of the capitalist since 'profit' no longer exists. With the elimination of profit so comes the elimination of 'private' ownership over the means of production.

wich ultemitly eliminaes competision and the fun in life.
So your idea of fun is having a walmart come to town, take all of the business, and close all of the individually owned little shops that have been in the neighborhood for 20 or 30 years?

you know we do have BIG MARKETS.
the biggest icelandic company has an yearly revenue of 15,000,000,000$
So you like it when they build one next to your neighbors store and force them to close?

my neigbur being another huge compay I doubt that'll happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:58 am

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Right, there's also the corruption, gross violation of human rights, famine, and a lack of privacy.

I have already pointed out that I do not consider these countries communist or socialist. You seem to have an inability to absorb any comments I have made.

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Right, because it's human nature to try to get ahead of the crowd.

Define human nature for me.
There is no such thing as a fixed ‘human nature’ beyond a few simple functions we all perform, if anything ‘human nature’ would be defined by its flexibility.

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Those who started the communist revolutions thought it was probably a good idea to give up on equality and sharing and instead sorta rule with an iron fist.

Had you said:
“Those who started the communist revolutions thought it was probably a good idea to give up on communism and instead sorta rule with an iron fist”
I may have been tempted to agree with you.
After all, if they abandoned communism then their regimes, by definition were not communist.

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People will never break from their classes. Everybody in the world wants to achieve more than others, have more than others, provide to their families more than others. Their success creates classes.

No. Most of us here will have been using the Marxist definition of class, the success or failure of individuals does not create this type of class society, which is defined by private ownership of the means of production.

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Tell me, if we have a global commune and get invaded by aliens what will we do?

You don’t honestly expect me to believe that an alien species with technology advanced enough to actually get to Earth and make the conquest worthwhile is going to be threatened because we maintain a standing army? But this is largely irrelevant, you don’t need a fleet of floating guns to make a war in space, all you need to do is send a few asteroids their way.

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Or, more realistically, if there is a large communist nation (just humor the idea)

No I won’t humour the idea, communism is a global system or it will not function at all.

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If you can go home at night and get fed even if you didn't do anything to deserve it, then by golly you will.

Today maybe, the idea of a communist society is that people understand and accept that by working voluntarily they are guaranteed free access to all goods produced by society.

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I like my MP3 player. I like my TV. Not possible in a commie society, you say?

No I don’t say, what I said is not that goods will no longer be produced but that they will no longer be produced TO SELL. Free access.

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I'd start a store. I'd trade with people who were of a like mind and provided goods that I wanted. We'd get an economy rolling and probably make some sort of local currency. I'm sure I'm not the only one, either. I'd join with others who want to reap the fruit of their own labors and become insanely rich.

Hilarious, why would anyone do that when they can get everything they want for free (and doubtlessly work far fewer hours to do it)?
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Probably a good idea to try and seperate yourselves from Stalin, no? Don't worry, I won't tell.

Do you fail at reading my comments properly? I have just told you that this was not the case.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:59 pm

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I'd start a store. I'd trade with people who were of a like mind and provided goods that I wanted. We'd get an economy rolling and probably make some sort of local currency. I'm sure I'm not the only one, either. I'd join with others who want to reap the fruit of their own labors and become insanely rich.

Hilarious, why would anyone do that when they can get everything they want for free (and doubtlessly work far fewer hours to do it)?
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Probably a good idea to try and seperate yourselves from Stalin, no? Don't worry, I won't tell

Do you fail at reading my comments properly? I have just told you that this was not the case.

IN cuba evrything is state run and owned.
I am in NO way saying cuba is communist but that they use the same system. The goverment sets targets and they are to be reched.
there is no consuption outside what pepole need in communism becuse it is not made. The want of profit or money drives pepole on to create new things. you talk about pepole wanting to do things for society, reaping no rewards.
This is true many scientists do make most theyer things for society but if you have worked at doing something fore 20years you expect to be rewarded. if they are then there is no communism.

anothere thing. all pepole will need to livee in the same kid of apartments at as boring jobs and TOTALLY eqal education. how would you do that?
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:37 pm

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anothere thing. all pepole will need to livee in the same kid of apartments at as boring jobs and TOTALLY eqal education. how would you do that?

1. Why boring jobs? You study to be a doctor and you get to be a doctor, if you wanted to be a doctor why the hell should it be boring?
2. The same kind of apartments. What's wrong with everybody living in a completely functional apartment and everybody having the same space per inhabitant?
3. Totally equal education. What do you mean by that? That evryone would get access to eductaion? That everyone is taught the same?

How to do it? Governmental control.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:43 pm

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anothere thing. all pepole will need to livee in the same kid of apartments at as boring jobs and TOTALLY eqal education. how would you do that?

1. Why boring jobs? You study to be a doctor and you get to be a doctor, if you wanted to be a doctor why the hell should it be boring?
2. The same kind of apartments. What's wrong with everybody living in a completely functional apartment and everybody having the same space per inhabitant?
3. Totally equal education. What do you mean by that? That evryone would get access to eductaion? That everyone is taught the same?

How to do it? Governmental control.

why does it have to be boring. This is an efficient apartment building but communist arn't against art. You can still be creative to keep things not boring.

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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:50 pm

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anothere thing. all pepole will need to livee in the same kid of apartments at as boring jobs and TOTALLY eqal education. how would you do that?

1. Why boring jobs? You study to be a doctor and you get to be a doctor, if you wanted to be a doctor why the hell should it be boring?
2. The same kind of apartments. What's wrong with everybody living in a completely functional apartment and everybody having the same space per inhabitant?
3. Totally equal education. What do you mean by that? That evryone would get access to eductaion? That everyone is taught the same?

How to do it? Governmental control.

how can you make sure evryone learns as much and gets as much.
in order to build the same space for evyone ALL houses have to be demolished and there will be littel veriety.
ok maybe I wasn't saying it right.
If you get the same pay working desk duty and cleaning an old nuclear reactor, wich one would you do?
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:36 pm

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how can you make sure evryone learns as much and gets as much.
Everybody will be given equal education and learn accoding to their personal intelectual capabilities and interests.

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in order to build the same space for evyone ALL houses have to be demolished and there will be littel veriety.
Yeah, disfunctional houses will be demolished of course, but what makes you think there will be little variety? State will put minimun goals for architects and engineers to build: design whatever you want as long as it can provide X number of individuals with Y square meters per individual in Z space meeting our standards of functionality. Of course there are more functional shapes, but art is not inveresely proportional to functionality.

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ok maybe I wasn't saying it right.
If you get the same pay working desk duty and cleaning an old nuclear reactor, wich one would you do?

No Pay Matti, no pay! In Communism there's no pay! You can choose works according to your capabilities and interests. If your only goal and interest in life is to make money or gather materials with the minimum effort possible and if nothing but that interests you, then, you'll indeed have a miserable life in communism.

In communism you study and then work. If you're not interested in studying and prefer to work as soon as you can then you are assigned to non-knowledge/intellectually demanding tasks. If you're simply not able of understanding complex things the same. If you study any given career its because you like that career. If you work or think to study just to amass goods, then you're of no use to a communist society.

I wonder why the hell is it necesary to repeat this over and over and over....
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:47 pm

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how can you make sure evryone learns as much and gets as much.
Everybody will be given equal education and learn accoding to their personal intelectual capabilities and interests.

mattabesta wrote:

in order to build the same space for evyone ALL houses have to be demolished and there will be littel veriety.
Yeah, disfunctional houses will be demolished of course, but what makes you think there will be little variety? State will put minimun goals for architects and engineers to build: design whatever you want as long as it can provide X number of individuals with Y square meters per individual in Z space meeting our standards of functionality. Of course there are more functional shapes, but art is not inveresely proportional to functionality.

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ok maybe I wasn't saying it right.
If you get the same pay working desk duty and cleaning an old nuclear reactor, wich one would you do?

No Pay Matti, no pay! In Communism there's no pay! You can choose works according to your capabilities and interests. If your only goal and interest in life is to make money or gather materials with the minimum effort possible and if nothing but that interests you, then, you'll indeed have a miserable life in communism.

In communism you study and then work. If you're not interested in studying and prefer to work as soon as you can then you are assigned to non-knowledge/intellectually demanding tasks. If you're simply not able of understanding complex things the same. If you study any given career its because you like that career. If you work or think to study just to amass goods, then you're of no use to a communist society.

I wonder why the hell is it necesary to repeat this over and over and over....

by pay I mean what you get instead.

if houses are built overe a fifty year period newer houses or just better ones desigened at some time will become more desiereble making the law of capitalism apply again but with out capitalism theas houses won't be more expenseve nor will any better pepole nor pepole how deserve the houses get them firs comes first gets.

to make sure evryone gets the same evryone has to have the same kind.
if houses are ade by diffrent arcitectures then one is bound to be better than otheres.

if evrybody learns according to intrest then there won't be communism becuse some pepole will learn more and be more qalafide for life.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:00 am

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by pay I mean what you get instead.

In communism you produce according to your capabilities and consume according to your needs.

mattabesta wrote:

if houses are built overe a fifty year period newer houses or just better ones desigened at some time will become more desiereble making the law of capitalism apply again but with out capitalism theas houses won't be more expenseve nor will any better pepole nor pepole how deserve the houses get them firs comes first gets.

Fuck... have you ever played Pharaoh? In case not, learn about it and then take this into account: it's just a game.

In communism there are no houses, just appartments. They are designed to meet needs, to solve habitational problems. Desirability is linked to orinetation, location, functionality and aesthetics and of course individual characteristics of persons.

Orientation will vary, location will vary too, functionality has to keep a standard and aesthetics can vary as well. Functionality, nonetheless, is the dteerminant and most important factor.


mattabesta wrote:
to make sure evryone gets the same evryone has to have the same kind.
if houses are ade by diffrent arcitectures then one is bound to be better than otheres.

Since they have to keep ttached to functionality standards the only variables possible are in aesthetics and aesthetics are pretty relative.

mattabesta wrote:

if evrybody learns according to intrest then there won't be communism becuse some pepole will learn more and be more qalafide for life.

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Hey what do you think universities are for? Why do you think they have a specific set of subjects for each career?

"Being qualified for life"... wow... Technically this would be linked to a combination of propositive attitudes, desire to get knowledge and access to it. Guess what Matti? No one learns more by imposition, we all learn what we're interested to learn, we can be imposed some knowledge and as soon as we stop being exposed to it or use it we forget it if we don't care about it, if we don't use it. That means you can see 10 subjects in highschool, 5 of them linked to your career, 6 of them interest you, you'll eventually forget at least 4 because you're alienated from them.

There's intelectually capable people not interested to study and there's people that are intellectauly unable to study certain topics. That's determinant..
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PostSubject: reply   Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:26 am

If you get the same pay working desk duty and cleaning an old nuclear reactor, wich one would you do?[/quote]

Very good question

Marx's theory was that people will become conditioned by the new socialist society and human behavior will change over time. With the destruction of the class system comes the destruction of old values and the corresponding mode of thought , on communism he states - 'after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want'.

Example:
You only think that cleaning an old nuclear reactor is bad because society has conditioned you to think this way, with the elimination of the current mode of thought things change, make sence ?



Personally I am skeptical of communism, I think socialism may be as far as people can go without contradicting their base instincts.

Still, who knows.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:01 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:

by pay I mean what you get instead.

In communism you produce according to your capabilities and consume according to your needs.

mattabesta wrote:

if houses are built overe a fifty year period newer houses or just better ones desigened at some time will become more desiereble making the law of capitalism apply again but with out capitalism theas houses won't be more expenseve nor will any better pepole nor pepole how deserve the houses get them firs comes first gets.

Fuck... have you ever played Pharaoh? In case not, learn about it and then take this into account: it's just a game.

In communism there are no houses, just appartments. They are designed to meet needs, to solve habitational problems. Desirability is linked to orinetation, location, functionality and aesthetics and of course individual characteristics of persons.

Orientation will vary, location will vary too, functionality has to keep a standard and aesthetics can vary as well. Functionality, nonetheless, is the dteerminant and most important factor.


mattabesta wrote:
to make sure evryone gets the same evryone has to have the same kind.
if houses are ade by diffrent arcitectures then one is bound to be better than otheres.

Since they have to keep ttached to functionality standards the only variables possible are in aesthetics and aesthetics are pretty relative.

mattabesta wrote:

if evrybody learns according to intrest then there won't be communism becuse some pepole will learn more and be more qalafide for life.

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Hey what do you think universities are for? Why do you think they have a specific set of subjects for each career?

"Being qualified for life"... wow... Technically this would be linked to a combination of propositive attitudes, desire to get knowledge and access to it. Guess what Matti? No one learns more by imposition, we all learn what we're interested to learn, we can be imposed some knowledge and as soon as we stop being exposed to it or use it we forget it if we don't care about it, if we don't use it. That means you can see 10 subjects in highschool, 5 of them linked to your career, 6 of them interest you, you'll eventually forget at least 4 because you're alienated from them.

There's intelectually capable people not interested to study and there's people that are intellectauly unable to study certain topics. That's determinant..

you just confirmed what i said you want houses to work rathere than be nice.

I, I am putting empases on Icelandic, English, Biolagy, chemestry and math becuse I need to pass those in 10th grade to get to buissness school and if I go to Verzló wich is the best scool in iceland for economics I have a better chanse to get into a good university.

why becuse I can get rich.

If I have nothing to gain from education I win't be learning at all I mean it's THE MOST BORING THING TO DO.
a depressed 12 year old won't learn unless there is a reson.
if evrybody works to theyer capability then pepole will act lazy to do less since there is only one "company" to work for the goverment so you can't get fiered.
now consume as you need well currently I need 1terabite more on my hard drive a makeover for my house and a new car but I haven't really worked for that but there is no way to prove I haven't since I don't get paid and there is no currency.
theoreticly if you work mines and then make metal and then make items and only those how afford the item will buy it.
for exampel an mp3. there are millions sold but if you would give them for free you would need billions more to meat demand.
how are you going to meet this demand when pepole are lazy and make very littel as a result very few will get the item till it neasrly dissapers and then the econamy starts to crumbel when pepole get angry at the goverment for not meeting theyer demands.

and don'f fuck with me on the whole there is no pay in communism, I fuckin bloody hell know your consept of communism.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:20 pm

mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:

by pay I mean what you get instead.

In communism you produce according to your capabilities and consume according to your needs.

mattabesta wrote:

if houses are built overe a fifty year period newer houses or just better ones desigened at some time will become more desiereble making the law of capitalism apply again but with out capitalism theas houses won't be more expenseve nor will any better pepole nor pepole how deserve the houses get them firs comes first gets.

Fuck... have you ever played Pharaoh? In case not, learn about it and then take this into account: it's just a game.

In communism there are no houses, just appartments. They are designed to meet needs, to solve habitational problems. Desirability is linked to orinetation, location, functionality and aesthetics and of course individual characteristics of persons.

Orientation will vary, location will vary too, functionality has to keep a standard and aesthetics can vary as well. Functionality, nonetheless, is the dteerminant and most important factor.


mattabesta wrote:
to make sure evryone gets the same evryone has to have the same kind.
if houses are ade by diffrent arcitectures then one is bound to be better than otheres.

Since they have to keep ttached to functionality standards the only variables possible are in aesthetics and aesthetics are pretty relative.

mattabesta wrote:

if evrybody learns according to intrest then there won't be communism becuse some pepole will learn more and be more qalafide for life.

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Hey what do you think universities are for? Why do you think they have a specific set of subjects for each career?

"Being qualified for life"... wow... Technically this would be linked to a combination of propositive attitudes, desire to get knowledge and access to it. Guess what Matti? No one learns more by imposition, we all learn what we're interested to learn, we can be imposed some knowledge and as soon as we stop being exposed to it or use it we forget it if we don't care about it, if we don't use it. That means you can see 10 subjects in highschool, 5 of them linked to your career, 6 of them interest you, you'll eventually forget at least 4 because you're alienated from them.

There's intelectually capable people not interested to study and there's people that are intellectauly unable to study certain topics. That's determinant..

you just confirmed what i said you want houses to work rathere than be nice.

I, I am putting empases on Icelandic, English, Biolagy, chemestry and math becuse I need to pass those in 10th grade to get to buissness school and if I go to Verzló wich is the best scool in iceland for economics I have a better chanse to get into a good university.

why becuse I can get rich.

If I have nothing to gain from education I win't be learning at all I mean it's THE MOST BORING THING TO DO.
a depressed 12 year old won't learn unless there is a reson.
if evrybody works to theyer capability then pepole will act lazy to do less since there is only one "company" to work for the goverment so you can't get fiered.
now consume as you need well currently I need 1terabite more on my hard drive a makeover for my house and a new car but I haven't really worked for that but there is no way to prove I haven't since I don't get paid and there is no currency.
theoreticly if you work mines and then make metal and then make items and only those how afford the item will buy it.
for exampel an mp3. there are millions sold but if you would give them for free you would need billions more to meat demand.
how are you going to meet this demand when pepole are lazy and make very littel as a result very few will get the item till it neasrly dissapers and then the econamy starts to crumbel when pepole get angry at the goverment for not meeting theyer demands.

and don'f fuck with me on the whole there is no pay in communism, I fuckin bloody hell know your consept of communism.
You have your view and so does he. There is no need to be ugly.
People will be conditioned to love school. The reason kids hate it how is because of the negative view on it. I have always loved school.

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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:52 am

mononokifool wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:

by pay I mean what you get instead.

In communism you produce according to your capabilities and consume according to your needs.

mattabesta wrote:

if houses are built overe a fifty year period newer houses or just better ones desigened at some time will become more desiereble making the law of capitalism apply again but with out capitalism theas houses won't be more expenseve nor will any better pepole nor pepole how deserve the houses get them firs comes first gets.

Fuck... have you ever played Pharaoh? In case not, learn about it and then take this into account: it's just a game.

In communism there are no houses, just appartments. They are designed to meet needs, to solve habitational problems. Desirability is linked to orinetation, location, functionality and aesthetics and of course individual characteristics of persons.

Orientation will vary, location will vary too, functionality has to keep a standard and aesthetics can vary as well. Functionality, nonetheless, is the dteerminant and most important factor.


mattabesta wrote:
to make sure evryone gets the same evryone has to have the same kind.
if houses are ade by diffrent arcitectures then one is bound to be better than otheres.

Since they have to keep ttached to functionality standards the only variables possible are in aesthetics and aesthetics are pretty relative.

mattabesta wrote:

if evrybody learns according to intrest then there won't be communism becuse some pepole will learn more and be more qalafide for life.

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Hey what do you think universities are for? Why do you think they have a specific set of subjects for each career?

"Being qualified for life"... wow... Technically this would be linked to a combination of propositive attitudes, desire to get knowledge and access to it. Guess what Matti? No one learns more by imposition, we all learn what we're interested to learn, we can be imposed some knowledge and as soon as we stop being exposed to it or use it we forget it if we don't care about it, if we don't use it. That means you can see 10 subjects in highschool, 5 of them linked to your career, 6 of them interest you, you'll eventually forget at least 4 because you're alienated from them.

There's intelectually capable people not interested to study and there's people that are intellectauly unable to study certain topics. That's determinant..

you just confirmed what i said you want houses to work rathere than be nice.

I, I am putting empases on Icelandic, English, Biolagy, chemestry and math becuse I need to pass those in 10th grade to get to buissness school and if I go to Verzló wich is the best scool in iceland for economics I have a better chanse to get into a good university.

why becuse I can get rich.

If I have nothing to gain from education I win't be learning at all I mean it's THE MOST BORING THING TO DO.
a depressed 12 year old won't learn unless there is a reson.
if evrybody works to theyer capability then pepole will act lazy to do less since there is only one "company" to work for the goverment so you can't get fiered.
now consume as you need well currently I need 1terabite more on my hard drive a makeover for my house and a new car but I haven't really worked for that but there is no way to prove I haven't since I don't get paid and there is no currency.
theoreticly if you work mines and then make metal and then make items and only those how afford the item will buy it.
for exampel an mp3. there are millions sold but if you would give them for free you would need billions more to meat demand.
how are you going to meet this demand when pepole are lazy and make very littel as a result very few will get the item till it neasrly dissapers and then the econamy starts to crumbel when pepole get angry at the goverment for not meeting theyer demands.

and don'f fuck with me on the whole there is no pay in communism, I fuckin bloody hell know your consept of communism.
You have your view and so does he. There is no need to be ugly.
People will be conditioned to love school. The reason kids hate it how is because of the negative view on it. I have always loved school.
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you love the thing that makes you learn about a man who is sopposedly your natinal hero when he was really nothing othere than a high class snob who said iceland should be independent just like al the othere high class snobs?????????????????????????????????

ok that got a littel personal Jón Sigurđson is seriusly a pain in the ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Sigurdsson

anyway scool is sometimes gr8t but due to the scools reluctancy to let me learn on my own I hate it.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:17 am

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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:23 am

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Oh wahh... mommy and daddy didn't flip the bill for my college education! If he really wanted it, he'd work for it just like everyone else. That's why there are banks that give out student loans. My parent's didn't give my brother a dime for his college. He's doing fine. In fact from what I've experienced, if mommy and daddy pay for a kids education, he values college less because he's not paying for it and is more likely to fail or quit.
i think you misunderstood me. when the parents cant pay for the education i think the state must step in and provide financial aid, because it would help the state in the end, because people would be doing what they want to not affected by social heritage like me i wanna get a PhD in Bioengineering but my father is a electrician and my mother is a social worker, its about 9 years in university and its gonna cost, and my train of thought here is when i spend 9 years of my life in university to get a great education why cant the state pay for it? when im done im gonna pay taxes and work in/for the state anyway so they will get back what they paid and more,
That's all well and good but you're also capable of paying for college yourself, and it's not the governments job to do that. Allow the government to pay for your education and you're giving them more power than I feel comfortable with allowing them to have. As I said, their job is national defense from foreign invasion an prosecution of criminals, as well as money and roads. Banks will pay for your education, if it pays off, you will be able to pay for it no problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:21 am

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Right, there's also the corruption, gross violation of human rights, famine, and a lack of privacy.

I have already pointed out that I do not consider these countries communist or socialist. You seem to have an inability to absorb any comments I have made.

I hear them, I just don't acknowledge them. Difference.

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Right, because it's human nature to try to get ahead of the crowd.

Define human nature for me.
There is no such thing as a fixed ‘human nature’ beyond a few simple functions we all perform, if anything ‘human nature’ would be defined by its flexibility.

Human Nature is the natural behavior of the average human. Sure, they don't always do the same thing, but my statement that Human Beings like to be the best is more accurate than any statement contrary.

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Those who started the communist revolutions thought it was probably a good idea to give up on equality and sharing and instead sorta rule with an iron fist.

Had you said:
“Those who started the communist revolutions thought it was probably a good idea to give up on communism and instead sorta rule with an iron fist”
I may have been tempted to agree with you.
After all, if they abandoned communism then their regimes, by definition were not communist.

Now you're just nit-picking. Also, didn't provide any defense towards your support of commie.

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People will never break from their classes. Everybody in the world wants to achieve more than others, have more than others, provide to their families more than others. Their success creates classes.

No. Most of us here will have been using the Marxist definition of class, the success or failure of individuals does not create this type of class society, which is defined by private ownership of the means of production.

That didn't even make sense. I read it several times, no sense is made. Rephrase.

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Tell me, if we have a global commune and get invaded by aliens what will we do?

You don’t honestly expect me to believe that an alien species with technology advanced enough to actually get to Earth and make the conquest worthwhile is going to be threatened because we maintain a standing army? But this is largely irrelevant, you don’t need a fleet of floating guns to make a war in space, all you need to do is send a few asteroids their way.
Okay, fine, what do you do when I raise an army to take over the world?

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Or, more realistically, if there is a large communist nation (just humor the idea)

No I won’t humour the idea, communism is a global system or it will not function at all.

Then fuck it, I want to choose whether or not to be part of a system, if I find that system unjust I refuse to be a part of it and if it becomes a global community, I'll just remove myself from the community, or those that made it.

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If you can go home at night and get fed even if you didn't do anything to deserve it, then by golly you will.

Today maybe, the idea of a communist society is that people understand and accept that by working voluntarily they are guaranteed free access to all goods produced by society.
But... that won't happen because people are fucking lazy. No matter what you say about global co-operation, it's impossible. Look at any of the soviet satellite states, everyone had a job, but alot of them had a job as a door-opener. A hotel would have several door openers, none of which new how to open a door properly.

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I like my MP3 player. I like my TV. Not possible in a commie society, you say?

No I don’t say, what I said is not that goods will no longer be produced but that they will no longer be produced TO SELL. Free access.

If I got a free TV and MP3 player, I'll be using that instead of working, because I get fed either way.

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I'd start a store. I'd trade with people who were of a like mind and provided goods that I wanted. We'd get an economy rolling and probably make some sort of local currency. I'm sure I'm not the only one, either. I'd join with others who want to reap the fruit of their own labors and become insanely rich.

Hilarious, why would anyone do that when they can get everything they want for free (and doubtlessly work far fewer hours to do it)?

I'll find out what the government doesn't provide and sell it. Want your lawn mowed, excuse me, our lawn mowed? Okay, it'll cost you though. But it's worth it, everyone will be jealous. That's okay, I'll just mow their lawns too, and roll in the dough or whatever the hell they pay me with.

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Probably a good idea to try and seperate yourselves from Stalin, no? Don't worry, I won't tell.

Do you fail at reading my comments properly? I have just told you that this was not the case.
So you're not trying to seperate yourself from stalin, you like being in the same boat as him?
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:32 pm

Do you really expect to be taken seriously, for anyone to bother with you when you make comments like this:

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I hear them, I just don't acknowledge them. Difference.

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So you're not trying to seperate yourself from stalin, you like being in the same boat as him?

You are not carrying out this discussion in a way that fosters reasonable debate.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:57 pm

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Do you really expect to be taken seriously, for anyone to bother with you when you make comments like this:

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I hear them, I just don't acknowledge them. Difference.

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So you're not trying to seperate yourself from stalin, you like being in the same boat as him?

You are not carrying out this discussion in a way that fosters reasonable debate.

wow as soon as someone makes a valid argument you try to make him look bad. I am ashamed of you No No
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:57 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:08 pm

WHOA. WTF? O_o

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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:16 pm

Oh I see. A "special" kind of hell eh?

lawls, Japanese p0rn is absolutely HILARIOUS. I lawls at stuff leik that. XD

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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:09 pm

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That's all well and good but you're also capable of paying for college yourself, and it's not the governments job to do that. Allow the government to pay for your education and you're giving them more power than I feel comfortable with allowing them to have. As I said, their job is national defense from foreign invasion an prosecution of criminals, as well as money and roads. Banks will pay for your education, if it pays off, you will be able to pay for it no problem.
College (im going this summer Razz ) is free here, i wanna have them pay for my books in uni, and you say that if they pay then they will be given to much power for you liking, then i ask you dont you trust your own government? i mean i dont like mean but that dosent mean i dont trust it, and if you dont trust your government then you need some new guys. you say your governments job is to prevent foreign invasion, who would invade you ? i mean isnt that a ¨Cold War¨ priority?. and i must say the bank idea is a kinda good idea BUT then your education would be a corporate thing, and a corporation except your to pay them back or work it back, and what if it dosent work out? and if a person have financial problems then the bank wouldnt give that person money, because they would see it as throwing money down the drain
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PostSubject: Re: Why is this the image people think of   Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:05 am

and i must say the bank idea is a kinda good idea BUT then your education would be a corporate thing, and a corporation except your to pay them back or work it back, and what if it dosent work out? and if a person have financial problems then the bank wouldnt give that person money, because they would see it as throwing money down the drain[/quote]



Education should be controlled by the state not the private sector, if education was in the hands of the free market the result would be that only people from wealthy backgrounds would be able to progress through society.This would cause a range of different problems ie socio economic inequality.Certain groups within society would fall victim to the lack of opportunity and develop a 'ghettoized' mindset which would present itself in crime, unemployment ect.

The gov function to give all citizens equal opportunity and help society as whole to develop and progress in a healthy fashion.

The social democracies of the EU have been proven to be far better than the right wing polotics of the US. We have higher standards of living, lower poverty and FAR less crime ect. Our socialist policies have been proven to benefit 'all' in society. Unfortunate that the US still suffers a cold war hangover.
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