Hi from Revleft

Just came over to check out this site. I'm usually on Revleft, but i'm looking forward to being active here as well.

I don't know revleft, nut it sounds leftist.

Anyway welcome here.

welcome hope you stay active.
so I suppose youre a communist revalutionoist, eh?

hey ive never heard about revleft? what is it

RevLeft stands for Revolutionary Left. Its a forum.

Anyway, welcome comrade! I was hoping someone from RevLeft would come.

Ya, I'm a socialist revolutionary. i suppose i should've made that clear, since this isn't only a site for rev leftists.

Revleft is a forum where, as the title implies, revolutionaries can go to discuss politics, theory, philosophy, workers action, etc. I would suggest any socialist go and check it out.

I wouldn't have known about this site if one of its members hadn't mentioned it on revleft. I'm glad he did.

Oh? Sounds like my kind of place. I could learn more about true communism from there rather than my history books. Bleh. XD

Oh and hi~!

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

Ya, I'm a socialist revolutionary. i suppose i should've made that clear, since this isn't only a site for rev leftists.

Revleft is a forum where, as the title implies, revolutionaries can go to discuss politics, theory, philosophy, workers action, etc. I would suggest any socialist go and check it out.

I wouldn't have known about this site if one of its members hadn't mentioned it on revleft. I'm glad he did.

So tell me. A leftist Revolution usually equates in Refugees running away, Genocides, another revolution a year later by the rightist.((Then civil war.)) so why should a nation go through a highly romantasised revolution to meet its goal of a Communist((Socialist)) State?

hm, so RevLeft has basically only leftists? Am I right? Do you have any rightists?

Diogritor wrote:

So tell me. A leftist Revolution usually equates in Refugees running away, Genocides, another revolution a year later by the rightist.((Then civil war.)) so why should a nation go through a highly romantasised revolution to meet its goal of a Communist((Socialist)) State?

Blunt much? Is this the place to debate this? Did you honestly believe this is the theory portion of this site, or did you just want to make this a public spectacle instead of just PMing me?

I'll answer anyway.

You're trying to say what usually happens in revolution is what is supposed to happen. There is no way of telling what will ensue when revolution is upon us.

The reason we believe a nation should go through revolution is to create an egalitarian society where people can live autonomously and own their labour-power instead of having to sell it just to live. Anyone who makes a contribution to society should be able to earn a dignified wage without fear of oppression.

You have an anti-fascist picture, but you rant like a capitalist, which makes me think you are a hypocrite.

Kenzu wrote:

hm, so RevLeft has basically only leftists? Am I right? Do you have any rightists?

Ya, but they are restricted to the opposing ideology section(and some other minor sections like chit-chat) of the forum along with reformists and those who were democratically decided to be counter-revolutionaries.

There are some senior revolutionaries on the site who, i am proud to say, i have learned much from. Most of the members of the (ironically called) 'Commie Club' are very knowledgable about every aspect of revolution.

You can look up more on the Commie Club here. It's a pretty cool set up.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

Diogritor wrote:

So tell me. A leftist Revolution usually equates in Refugees running away, Genocides, another revolution a year later by the rightist.((Then civil war.)) so why should a nation go through a highly romantasised revolution to meet its goal of a Communist((Socialist)) State?

Blunt much? Is this the place to debate this? Did you honestly believe this is the theory portion of this site, or did you just want to make this a public spectacle instead of just PMing me?

I'll answer anyway.

You're trying to say what usually happens in revolution is what is supposed to happen. There is no way of telling what will ensue when revolution is upon us.

The reason we believe a nation should go through revolution is to create an egalitarian society where people can live autonomously and own their labour-power instead of having to sell it just to live. Anyone who makes a contribution to society should be able to earn a dignified wage without fear of oppression.

You have an anti-fascist picture, but you rant like a capitalist, which makes me think you are a hypocrite.

This seems like the perfect place to discuss things.. and did you just call me an anti fascist? I am preaty sure that even though some of my veiws are left I am pure right. The reason I tolerate both is that a pure left or right society can never exist.

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This seems like the perfect place to discuss things

Really? in an introduction forum?

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..and did you just call me an anti fascist?

No, i said you have an anti-fascist avatar. Anything you inferred was not my doing.

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I am preaty sure that even though some of my veiws are left I am pure right.

Based on what?

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The reason I tolerate both is that a pure left or right society can never exist.

Thanks Sherlock, mystery solved. There is no need to say something like that since 'right' and 'left' are completely subject to the conditions of the society. For instance, i am only 'leftist' because that is where my views are considered on a political spectrum of this day in age. On the other hand, if this world was communist (or something along those lines) i would probably be considered 'rightist' for my views on abortion, for example.

Are you an anarchist, Marxist, socialist or what?

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my views on abortion, for example.

So you are against abortion rights? I seem to recall you saying there's nothing wrong with prostitution or porn so this is a big surprise.

Now he'll probably say "I'm not anti-abortion I'm pro-life! At least I have some moral principles."

Pannekoek wrote:

Are you an anarchist, Marxist, socialist or what?

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my views on abortion, for example.

So you are against abortion rights? I seem to recall you saying there's nothing wrong with prostitution or porn so this is a big surprise.

Now he'll probably say "I'm not anti-abortion I'm pro-life! At least I have some moral principles."

"pro-life" do we have any anti life?

Pannekoek wrote:

Are you an anarchist, Marxist, socialist or what?

I won't answer that. I'm somewhat of an anti-labelist. I don't like involving myself in minutia and demarcating titles. I've worked with anarchists, anarcho-communists and syndicalists, marxists, marxist-leninists, marxist-leninist-maoists, trotskyists, hoxhaists, and so on.

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So you are against abortion rights? I seem to recall you saying there's nothing wrong with prostitution or porn so this is a big surprise.

Nah, i don't think it should be illegal, but i am, for sure, against the killing of the foetus.

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Now he'll probably say "I'm not anti-abortion I'm pro-life! At least I have some moral principles."

"moral"? Why use that word. It really has no meaning outside of its religious context. And i don't adhere to religion, so no, i have no moral principals. I'm a sinner, and proud of it.

And anti-abortion is pro-life.

If you have no moral principles then why take a moral stance

Pannekoek wrote:

If you have no moral principles then why take a moral stance

When did i take a "moral" stance? You mean i happen to agree with some biblical principal? (I'm not sure what you refer to, but...) that's just how i feel. It has nothing to do with religion, but rather, it's a decision i made on my own that happens to agree with the bible.

Moral stance doesn't mean something religious it means a stance on what is right or wrong.

morals are just cultural and religious constructs. I don't bind myself to such things. I don't think we should get bogged down with labeling things as right or wrong.

What do you think is moral? List some things.

Is cannibalism morally wrong?

What about drugs?

Prostitution?

Being a 'slut'?

There are things which are RIGHT and there are things which are WRONG

Everything that harms others is WRONG!
Everything else is RIGHT!

Prostitution is the exploitation of women and is wrong!
Drugs harm people and are heavily addictive and therefore selling them to others or producing them for others is WRONG!

Kenzu wrote:

There are things which are RIGHT and there are things which are WRONG

how do you know? How do you know you aren't just a product of your society, a product of your parents, a product of your earthly predecessors? How have you come to your decisions?

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Everything that harms others is WRONG!
Everything else is RIGHT!

so revolution is wrong?

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Prostitution is the exploitation of women and is wrong!

No its not. If a woman chooses to make her living that way, she shouldn't be able to?

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Drugs harm people and are heavily addictive and therefore selling them to others or producing them for others is WRONG!

Says who? who told you they were "WRONG"?

Even if i want some drugs, i can't have them? How do you suppose a communist society is run? If there are laws banning these things, then we already have a problem since you have effectively taken away freedom from all those who would like to partake in drugs. Do you not respect a persons autonomy?

And not all drugs are "heavily addictive". In fact, i'd say the vast minority of them are addictive.

And what of cannibalism and being a slut?

Cannot agree more with Kenzu's last post. That is the easiest way to sum up Libertarianism. Revolution is fine if you don't disturb anyone while doing it.

nillerz wrote:

Revolution is fine if you don't disturb anyone while doing it.

haha. What makes it a revolution if it doesn't disturb anyone? Even a peaceful revolution, which isn't possible as far as i'm concerned, would deeply disturb the bourgeoisie.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

nillerz wrote:

Revolution is fine if you don't disturb anyone while doing it.

haha. What makes it a revolution if it doesn't disturb anyone? Even a peaceful revolution, which isn't possible as far as i'm concerned, would deeply disturb the bourgeoisie.

Unfortunately, that is true. There will ALWAYS be some assholes to frak things up and to demonize them if an opportunity presents itself.