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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:01 am

^^ haha, that made me laugh, but i fail to see much relevence.

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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:15 am

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:
inkus2000 wrote:
You wont get anywhere waving your hammer and sickle around screaming 'death to the bourgeoisie' !!!

It woudn't work in Europe

Actually, workers in Europe are quite progressive compared to american workers. They actually have a sense of class antagonisms and have a fair class consciousness.



The US will never embrace full on socialism as it stands, the best the left could hope for in the US is a social democracy along the lines of what we have in Europe and even that's a 'long' way off .

The working class in the US are clueless and buy into right wing propaganda.

Care to tell me why half of the US working class vote for a party who shit all over them ? Cold war handover + racism + xenophobia + religious fundamentalism + blind patriotism + paranoia all fulled by Fox news and friends ?
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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:39 am

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The US will never embrace full on socialism as it stands,

Agreed

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the best the left could hope for in the US is a social democracy along the lines of what we have in Europe and even that's a 'long' way off .

as a socialist i can't agree with that, obviously. Maybe that's the best they could hope for in the next, i don't know, 30 years or so.

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The working class in the US are clueless and buy into right wing propaganda.

Agreed, but don't forget "left-wing" propaganda.

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Care to tell me why half of the US working class vote for a party who shit all over them?

Cos they're backwards and droned to the maximum

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Cold war handover + racism + xenophobia + religious fundamentalism + blind patriotism + paranoia all fulled by Fox news and friends ?

Ya... I don't see what you think our disagreement is over. I was only refering to the point of your post about Europe; i know the working class of america is brain-damaged.

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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:51 am

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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:54 am

i've decided that environmentalists don't give a damn about humans as long as the environment is protected
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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:24 am

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i've decided that environmentalists don't give a damn about humans as long as the environment is protected



lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:19 pm

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i've decided that environmentalists don't give a damn about humans as long as the environment is protected

Hmm, but aren't we inherently environmentalist (to some degree) just by being communist. I mean, we oppose capitalist pillaging, we're materialist thinkers, we understand the limits of the earth (LEGALISE HEMP!!!)...

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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:07 pm

idont give a shit what happends to people. if some people get hurt to make other animals(and peoples lives more healthy, i will do it. environment is my forst priority, then comes politics. then people


marx why do you hate me
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PostSubject: Re: green   Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:32 pm

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idont give a shit what happends to people. if some people get hurt to make other animals(and peoples lives more healthy, i will do it. environment is my forst priority, then comes politics. then people


marx why do you hate me
Maybe it has to do with you just saying you would kill him to save a couple of trees lol!

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PostSubject: Re: green   Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:47 am

a couple. no. human life is not worht a cuple. a 100 maybe. that human can also be a helper. if he is a jackass, then yes i dont care whathappends to him
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PostSubject: Re: green   Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:17 pm

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marx why do you hate me

Why do you care what he thinks?

And i actually agree with you, to some extent. Some human's aren't worth the resources they extinguish. The toll the environment takes on their account is just absurd. It would be more pragmatic to do away with them.

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PostSubject: Re: green   Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:41 pm

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a couple. no. human life is not worht a cuple. a 100 maybe. that human can also be a helper. if he is a jackass, then yes i dont care whathappends to him


In India, Coca Cola drill and take their water from an underground source. Nearby small farming villages experience drought leading to failed harvests due to the fact that their wells no longer contain water. The farmers cannot support or even feed themselves forcing their sons look for work in factorys in the citys instead of farming the land as they have done for centuries. The farmers bring the matter to court - coca cola win on the grounds that the water source is too deep for the farmers to claim any ownership over it.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:37 pm

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In India, Coca Cola drill and take their water from an underground source. Nearby small farming villages experience drought leading to failed harvests due to the fact that their wells no longer contain water. The farmers cannot support or even feed themselves forcing their sons look for work in factorys in the citys instead of farming the land as they have done for centuries. The farmers bring the matter to court - coca cola win on the grounds that the water source is too deep for the farmers to claim any ownership over it.

Fuckin coca cola. Alright everyone, get your AK-47's, we're goin to India.

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PostSubject: Re: green   Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:41 pm

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Fuckin coca cola. Alright everyone, get your AK-47's, we're goin to India.
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lol!

But seriously Im not buying coca cola anymore -
Anyway all big coorps are full of shit I say we boycot the whole lot of them -
Be sure you know exactly where the stuff you buy comes from and what conditions its produced in.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:07 pm

i only drink water(not bottled) i find drinking drinks that come fro plastic or anything that has to do with coke immoral. i do once in a while in resturants order a ginger ale
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PostSubject: Re: green   Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:45 am

I don't hate you guys

I just can't believe people admit to being reformists...
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PostSubject: Re: green   Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:43 pm

Reforms are definitely not fun. Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: green   Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:14 pm

ehh. i have mixed feelings on reforms. cuase sometimes you just gotta do it
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PostSubject: Re: green   Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:57 pm

well check it out

I am FOR reforms that benefit THE WORKING CLASS but i realize that reforms are not enough and that they can be taken back by the ruling class.

reforms aint enough.
history proves this...hell current politics prove this.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:08 am

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well check it out

I am FOR reforms that benefit THE WORKING CLASS but i realize that reforms are not enough and that they can be taken back by the ruling class.

reforms aint enough.
history proves this...hell current politics prove this.

If they ever try to take back those reforms out come the AK47s
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Reformation is slow and boring, def not as fun as blowing stuff up , but still most reforms are stable and last.

After the working class unite the rulling class will give reform after reform in order to prevent revolution - in doing so they dig their own grave.

Either way socialism is achieved.

I don't see it as socialism vs capitalism more- capitalism naturally creates the conditions that lead to the inevedable transition to socialism .


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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:10 am

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After the working class unite the rulling class will concede reform after reform in order to prevent revolution - in doing so they dig their own grave.
Lol. What they will do is fight against us. And lose. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:25 am

refroms almost never stop anything and when they do. it takes like a bazilion years
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:28 am

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After the working class unite the rulling class will concede reform after reform in order to prevent revolution - in doing so they dig their own grave.
Lol. What they will do is fight against us. And lose. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

They loose either way because the end result is pre set.
The only choice they have is reform or revolution and they prefer reforms believe me.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:29 am

They don't know the end result unless they know Marxism (Unlikely) and anyway if they knew it they would try to prevent it as long as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:30 am

pannekoek( hwatever) for once i actually agree that you are correct. you still have my respect(lol)
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