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mattabesta
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:12 pm

Kenzu wrote:
environmentalist is right (partially)

communism is actually a socio economic system, but communism itself doesnt promote environmentalism, green do.

But all 3 nordic coutries (Sweden, Norway and Finnland) have communist parties and green parties united. Red-Green parties. Even though you have only one vote in an election, you can give a vote to this party and you vote for communism and environmentalism at the same time.

I saw some of their demonstrations on TV. Red and green flags side by side. Beautiful!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election%2C_2006
sweden dose not have green and red together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Parliament#Election_results_2007
not finland ethere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Labour_Party
there is a socal dem party in norway but no communists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venstre_%28Denmark%29
liberals are incharge in denmark

and iceland has a centerist party and a conservitive party in goverment now.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:13 pm

mattabesta wrote:
Kenzu wrote:
environmentalist is right (partially)

communism is actually a socio economic system, but communism itself doesnt promote environmentalism, green do.

But all 3 nordic coutries (Sweden, Norway and Finnland) have communist parties and green parties united. Red-Green parties. Even though you have only one vote in an election, you can give a vote to this party and you vote for communism and environmentalism at the same time.

I saw some of their demonstrations on TV. Red and green flags side by side. Beautiful!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election%2C_2006
sweden dose not have green and red together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Parliament#Election_results_2007
not finland ethere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Labour_Party
there is a socal dem party in norway but no communists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venstre_%28Denmark%29
liberals are incharge in denmark

and iceland has a centerist party and a conservitive party in goverment now.
I'm glad you made that clear, and I would figure those wikipedia articles are accurate, and I'll have to trust your word on Icelands politics since I haven't been there Very Happy). Thanks again for clearing that up....were did you get your information Kenzu, incase yours' is correct? (I know a lot about fake sites/internet skams, don't ask how I know, I'm a 'scholar' of sorts on such subjects, I have nothing better to do than read about them, and see what makes them succesful. A common thing such people have done when they get bored is post false information and news, I could check the IP and, if I recognise it or the site developers name, it's probably fake...)
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:11 am

i support all three equaly
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:33 am

You support capitalists being the ruling class, workers being the ruling class, and there being no classes? That makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:52 am

whati mean is i dont care whic one governs the country i live in
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:55 am

Capitalism can never be green because capitalism puts profit before environment.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:31 pm

but oranizations to get more bizness donate money to the envirnmental cuase. money for this is money anyway
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:16 pm

Liche wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Kenzu wrote:
environmentalist is right (partially)

communism is actually a socio economic system, but communism itself doesnt promote environmentalism, green do.

But all 3 nordic coutries (Sweden, Norway and Finnland) have communist parties and green parties united. Red-Green parties. Even though you have only one vote in an election, you can give a vote to this party and you vote for communism and environmentalism at the same time.

I saw some of their demonstrations on TV. Red and green flags side by side. Beautiful!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election%2C_2006
sweden dose not have green and red together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Parliament#Election_results_2007
not finland ethere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Labour_Party
there is a socal dem party in norway but no communists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venstre_%28Denmark%29
liberals are incharge in denmark

and iceland has a centerist party and a conservitive party in goverment now.
I'm glad you made that clear, and I would figure those wikipedia articles are accurate, and I'll have to trust your word on Icelands politics since I haven't been there Very Happy). Thanks again for clearing that up....were did you get your information Kenzu, incase yours' is correct? (I know a lot about fake sites/internet skams, don't ask how I know, I'm a 'scholar' of sorts on such subjects, I have nothing better to do than read about them, and see what makes them succesful. A common thing such people have done when they get bored is post false information and news, I could check the IP and, if I recognise it or the site developers name, it's probably fake...)

lol communist party in iceland got 0,34%
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PostSubject: Re: green   Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:08 pm

you mean. 34
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:06 am

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but oranizations to get more bizness donate money to the envirnmental cuase. money for this is money anyway
Ummm English please?
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:09 am

lol at green's illusions in capitalism and lack of class consciousness...

keep at it pannekoek lol!
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:11 am

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keep at it pannekoek
Thanks I need all the help I can get arguing with the two spammers, mattabesta and environmentalist.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:16 am

I will unite in solidarity with you comrade
*coughjustlikeyoushouldwithmumiacough*

but yeah, to the greens

Do you honeslty believe that if pollution were not profitable, people would still do it?

May as well believe in inherent evil in all of us lol.

Your organizations villify those that can't afford to purchase your righteous health products. You need to attack the profit system that has bread this "evil" as you see it.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:19 am

Oh lay off it, man. I'm not going to any rally for this mumia character. I want, to, really I do, but it just wouldn't work out.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:21 am

alright yeah i know you can't sorry
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:22 am

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alright yeah i know you can't sorry
No apology necessary.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:25 am

i never said that people pollute cuase its second nature. while socialism is my prefered choice of gov. capitalism and communism are also okay to be. each one has its benifits and advaages. ok an P

who were the two spammers. cuase i am the green(lonely)
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:27 am

The advantage of socialism and communism are that they don't kill the environment. Capitalism does. Always. If you are okay with capitalism you can't really call yourself green.

The two spammers are you and matt.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:28 am

environmentalist wrote:
not inheretly, but its in there.
i am an environmentalist, atype of green. green is a broad term.
but i do belive in the fout principles.

ecological wisdom
social justice
grassroots democracy
nonviolence




Glad you started a convo on the enviroment
We have already gone past peak oil - China and the US are on a collision course if we continue our dependence on petrolium.

I think we should grow our own food and use the wind sun and water for free energy. Solar cars should be developed more quickly, every house sould have a windmill providing free household electricity and another for charging electric cars ect. Solar panels sould be installed for water heating.

Its all possible, however there are too many powerful groups hellbent on holding back such progression.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:28 am

Socialism will inherently lead to the abolition of the sate and scarcity. it will lead to communism

and how can you be a "green" when Capitalism is an acceptable form of gov't to you?

you are alright with the class oppression of workers?
women?
blacks?
racism?
imperialism?
production for profit rather than need?
exploitation?
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:31 am

look i dont spam as much as matt. and look. socialism and communism. will they benifit or give money to charitable institutions. no beucase why should they, i mean everything is taken care of them. and news flash. i bet that you throw away your trash not caring where its going. i bet you buy things that tuin the environment. and i bet that you buy things filled with excess packaging.

i never said i liked communism. i said i would live under it. i dont care what kind of gov i have as long as i can keep helping the environment the way i do know. i dont love capitalism. in fact i hate it, but i can sustain under it so dont be pulling the whole capitalism speech on me
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:34 am

Is charity the solution to everything to you?
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:34 am

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i dont love capitalism. in fact i hate it
And yet you are fine with it?

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bet you buy things that tuin the environment. and i bet that you buy things filled with excess packaging.
Why do you think those things are made? BECAUSE IT IS PROFITABLE FOR THE CAPITALISTS TO MAKE THEM LIKE THAT.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:37 am

look. right now i have no choice. ilive under cap and i was rasied under cap. i can withstand it. and so far a true communis society has not been made, so if it does get made, i will move right away.

charity is a good cuase of awarness

and if its profitable for the corp. stick it to them and dont buy thier products. you will be killing to birds with one stone(so to speak)
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:38 am

The Energy sector should be state owned - not private
Otherwise not everyone could afford the apparatus needed for free energy ie windmills.

With free energy and food peoples dependence on the free market for survival would disappear.
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