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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:39 am

i guess you are right
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:39 am

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a true communis society has not been made
It will be.

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charity is a good cuase of awarness
Charity fails. Taxes ftw.

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and if its profitable for the corp. stick it to them and dont buy thier products. you will be killing to birds with one stone(so to speak)
I don't buy things my mom does.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:40 am

i see. Laughing

when a true com society comes, you call me and i will be first aboard. but right now i haveno choice but cap so i adapted to it. ican live with it, but i dontlike it.

dude tell your mom tha you wanna be indepenndet and bu oy own things
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:49 am

perpetuating illusions in capitalist society by saying things like

"ZOMG YOU INSENZITV PPLZ JUST DONAT3 AND ZE WURLD WILL BE ALL GUD"

strengthens capitalism and further deepens people's bourgeois illusions in society.

You are defeating your own cause cause charity ain't gonna do shit to defeat finance capital my friend
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:55 am

MarxistFreeman wrote:
perpetuating illusions in capitalist society by saying things like

"ZOMG YOU INSENZITV PPLZ JUST DONAT3 AND ZE WURLD WILL BE ALL GUD"

strengthens capitalism and further deepens people's bourgeois illusions in society.

You are defeating your own cause cause charity ain't gonna do shit to defeat finance capital my friend


True charity and capitalism go hand in hand
Capitalism profits from need.

A man is starving, the capitalist will give a job in his factory and pay him with food, the socialist will give him land and teach him to grow crops.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:59 am

and the capitalists will ONLY donate when they HAVE to in order to avoid class struggle sparked by the discontent of the working class
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:11 am

my cuase is the environment. if get a vouple grand form a corp. i am gonna use it.

ig some guy siad. i will give you two millinoin for your cause, i am a capitalsit. would you not take it.(there are no stringss attached)
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:13 am

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and the capitalists will ONLY donate when they HAVE to in order to avoid class struggle sparked by the discontent of the working class

Well not quite, they might believe they are doing a good thing, not all bourgeoisie are monsters . Very Happy

Anyway green living would invariably lead to the end of dependence on the free market.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:14 am

Very good question. The capitalist obviously got the money by exploiting workers BUT I could use the money to help the workers. I really don't know.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:18 am

i'd take it and use it against him.

that doesn't mean that capitalism shouldn't be overthrown

lol

and it isn't a matter of simply dividing up the pie evenly
it is controlling the means of production as well my friend...
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:20 am

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and it isn't a matter of simply dividing up the pie evenly
it is controlling the means of production as well my friend...
I know it. Suppression of the oppressors is the goal of the revolution.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:41 am

so see, charity is good. you can help the average person, or the average tree
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:44 am

it's not help

throwing cash at causes does not remove the oppression and exploitation that exists.

HERE IS SOME MONEY WORKERS NOW WORK FOR ME ANT LET ME STEAL WHAT YOU PRODUCE
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:52 am

MarxistFreeman wrote:
it's not help

throwing cash at causes does not remove the oppression and exploitation that exists.

HERE IS SOME MONEY WORKERS NOW WORK FOR ME ANT LET ME STEAL WHAT YOU PRODUCE




I all fairness socialist nations have never been over keen on enviromental issues, look at the USSR or China.

Theirs a lot of money to be made in renewable energy nowadays.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:58 am

thats because they did not reach a state of abundance in which they could afford to without hurting the workers
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:02 am

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so see, charity is good. you can help the average person, or the average tree

Charity is nothing more than temporary relief. Money would be be better spent helping people help themselves. For example an unemployed person in the US might be given a welfare check but the social problems causing high unemployment remain neglected.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:05 am

i think that charity is a temporary relieaf. but even a temporary relieaf can have lasting changes. dontation 2,000 bucks o something may not make people change forever, but it will so what can happen or some shit like that.....i changed m mind. free money is bad
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:06 am

you're illusions in charity and capitalism make me wonder if you are on shrooms...
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:15 am

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thats because they did not reach a state of abundance in which they could afford to without hurting the workers

The reason in both capitalist and socialist states is that it was more cost effective in the short term to rely on fossil fuels. The only reason any state capitalist or socialist is now turning to renewable energy is because they have no other option - oil is running out and the demand will eventually exceed the supply. We have passed peak oil and from here the price of petrolium will climb ever higher, it has nothing to do with capitalism vs socialism.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:16 am

im talking the reasons why they could not focus on the environment comrade
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:30 am

Bay Area, thats San Fransico right ?

Greatest city in the US.
Iv never been to America but I hear SA is quite left leaning more like Europe.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:34 am

The northeast is that way too.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:42 am

Pannekoek wrote:
The northeast is that way too.

I know the northeastern cities are democrat territory but SA is pretty far left in comparison.
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:43 am

Maybe I should run away to there when I can drive. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: green   Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:46 am

Pannekoek wrote:
Maybe I should run away to there when I can drive. Laughing

By the way, how come small town and rural America is 90% republican ?
I have my own theory but what do you think causes that ?


example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2004_US_elections_purple_counties.png

Notice the way urban centers are predominantly blue.
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