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PostSubject: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeThu Apr 10, 2008 6:31 am

China is a weird country, on one hand it has the communist party in charge (but there are 9 parties in China in total), it is a pretty capitalist country and calls itself socialist.

Many sites on internet is blocked. Apart from a few blocked internet sites, I enjoy same rights here as in any other country. It is the internet that gets on the nerves, it is also much slower in China than in EU, because all information goes through Chinese Great Firewall.

I also dont like the Chinese education and health care system, because if you are poor you cant afford to study and if you get sick you wont be able to afford operations and the stay in hospital is very expensive. Sometime China seems like a copy of USA.

China is not as good as EU, but still it is better than in USA. The rich get taxed heavier, there is low crime and one doesnt have to be scared to go alone at night in small streets. There are policemen and guards everywhere, cameras on each subway station, and sometimes soldiers march through the streets. One feels very safe!

People are friendly and it seems that China is on its way to become an awesome country. It just needs more time to grow and become richer.

I enjoy to live here.



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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeThu Apr 10, 2008 7:11 am

First of all can we?

I don't want to get your access to this site banned...
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 12:44 am

It's very possible. China's government isn't really that hardcore.

And yes, the Chinese need a LOT of time to resort but they also have a LONG 4$$ history of tradegy and happiness, happpiness when they were united as one and didn't butt in other people's business. Tradegic because of the imperialists exploiting China heavily and regional wars with Korea and Japan. And because of that overwhelming tradegy, China, like what Korea did, closed it's borders for a good while.

Yeah, my Chinese teacher just confirmed the health care and education issues. It totally sucks and just isn't working for the majority of China. But I think, China will nationalize the heath care and education as soon as they can get their other problems sorted out.

Like corruption.

China IS safer than most of US. In fact, my teacher felt unsafe as soon as she stepped foot in "Meigou" (lit. Beautiful Country) or "America" in Chinese. Pretty sad, huh? Sad I'm just so happy she was accepted into my poor school to help bring more awareness about China.

China is not a bad or exploitive nation, as the history clearly shows. I think China is in a state of, say, "teenage years", as far as development shows. They will improve and grow to be a highly respected nation.

"Everything takes time." my Chinese teacher wisely says. ^_^

China shall take time.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 1:35 am

China is slowly building universal secondary school and health coverage and the state retains the ability to allocate and reallocate capital so its not a cyclical capitalist economy.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 1:41 am

china was once the richest cuntry in the world and it will be again.


The economy of the Song Dynasty was one of the most prosperous and advanced economies in the medieval world. Song Chinese invested their funds in joint stock companies and in multiple sailing vessels at a time when monetary gain was assured from the vigorous overseas trade and indigenous trade along the Grand Canal and Yangzi River.[115] Prominent merchant families and private businesses were allowed to occupy industries that were not already government-operated monopolies.[16][116] Both private and government-controlled industries met the needs of a growing Chinese population in the Song.[16][116] Both artisans and merchants formed guilds which the state had to deal with when assessing taxes, requisitioning goods, and setting standard worker's wages and prices on goods.[115]

as you can see china invented modren capitalism!
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 1:46 am

lol, dat true. At least they were successful at it.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 1:49 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
lol, dat true. At least they were successful at it.

really succsesfull the chinese pop grew to 110million from 60 in 100 years!
the "banks" were so flooded with money that gold and silver mint counted in billions.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 2:08 am

What "100 years" then? During Mao's time? Answer that. I can name two bad ones, Qin (unifed ancient China) and Mao's Revolution (unified mainland). Both had bad leaders (PRC's Mao and Qin's Zheng) and effectively controlled the population under military might. Both times are still contraversial in China today.

China's dynasties have had their ups and downs, ups in relative peace, and downs whenever somebody tries to f**k with them. The so-called "population increase" you talk about is when China changed Dynasties, the "Mandate of Heaven" decreeded that ANYBODY could rule if he (or she) saw something wrong with the current system.

Which is why China had so many uprisings...

It funny how they still exist today. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 3:38 am

China reminds me of the late 1800s early 1900s America in the fact that it was an emerging world power but still had problems like a wide money gap, monopolies, a gap in Urban and Rural areas((not just money but the fact that while skyscrapers were being built in the east we were still fighting the indians in the west.))

I have said that I cannot concider it a world power but if it ends up like the U.S it will be very soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 5:54 am

Kenzu, what parties do they have in China?
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 11, 2008 6:10 am

Riddler wrote:
Kenzu, what parties do they have in China?

A variety of parties are allowed to exsist, but only the CCP holds seats in the national people's congress and thus any real power.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri Apr 18, 2008 5:30 am

Kenzu, 我是中国人。我爸是上海人。 I must say, Shanghai is a great place, yet I've always felt more comfortable in the US. But in China, there are many great benefits of living there, especially if you're a foreigner.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeWed Apr 30, 2008 11:49 pm

china is awesome. it make everything. but it need to accomodate its people more.

if china is readin this. i didnt say anything offnesive
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeThu May 01, 2008 3:52 am

China makes everything but exports it all to america. america maix nothing exept big macs and pollution.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeThu May 01, 2008 4:09 am

china makes more+china pollutes more.

i support china thougt
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri May 23, 2008 9:04 am

Just for relevancy purposes, an average American executive makes 450x more than the average American worker. In China, CEO's make 9,000x more than the average employee.

I would say Germany has a much better model by forcing the boards of public corporations to consist of community members who act on behalf of labor and consumers. They work alongside board members elected by shareholders.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri May 23, 2008 11:15 pm

i have to agree wiht the new huy
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeFri May 23, 2008 11:39 pm

no capitalist model is a good model. including china, cuba, etc
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeSat May 24, 2008 3:55 am

not always true. sometimes they blend succesfully
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeSat May 24, 2008 8:53 am

i have to say that I know next to nothing about China, except that its an emerging world power, has 1/4 of the world's population, is ruled by a party claiming to be Communist, promotes free trade, and produced just about everything in my house ^_^ any suggestions for materials on modern day China?
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeSat May 24, 2008 6:53 pm

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
What "100 years" then? During Mao's time? Answer that. I can name two bad ones, Qin (unifed ancient China) and Mao's Revolution (unified mainland). Both had bad leaders (PRC's Mao and Qin's Zheng) and effectively controlled the population under military might. Both times are still contraversial in China today.

China's dynasties have had their ups and downs, ups in relative peace, and downs whenever somebody tries to f**k with them. The so-called "population increase" you talk about is when China changed Dynasties, the "Mandate of Heaven" decreeded that ANYBODY could rule if he (or she) saw something wrong with the current system.

Which is why China had so many uprisings...

It funny how they still exist today. lol!
it was the tang and song mostly the mid song period wich was one of chinas best.
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeSat May 24, 2008 10:35 pm

no not really
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeSat May 24, 2008 11:10 pm

you talking to me?
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeSat May 24, 2008 11:54 pm

no i am talking to the other mattabesta
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PostSubject: Re: Socialism with Chinese characteristics   Socialism with Chinese characteristics Icon_minitimeSun May 25, 2008 1:24 am

enviro wrote:
no i am talking to the other mattabesta
LOL so song was a bad time in chinas history, eh?
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