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did the ussr work?
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Yes
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Wtf is the ussr
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Zealot_Kommunizma
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:52 pm

mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
carmen510 wrote:
The USSR didn't work, simply because the government didn't listen to the people. And when it did during Gorbachev's rule, it collapsed and turned into democracy that didn't want socialism back.

No democracy there, nor anytwhere else.
lol! lol!
democracy din't come to russi curruption came lol!

Democracy doesn't exist anywhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:55 pm

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but wher's my incuregement to be gr8?
and why did millions fee from the communist states?

*encouragement

Your encouragement to be great lies within performing your job well and the societal acknowledgement of that.

Really? I haven't seen any communist state yet... oh... you mean the State Capitalisms. People were searching for freer and less incongruent forms of capitalism and some were fleeing the paranoid prosecution of those regimes.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:39 pm

I would also like to point out that the type of Government has nothing to do with the government killing its on people, it has to do with the PEOPLE ruling the government
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:01 pm

But the people didn't get to choose the people ruling in the government. The USSR ruled itself with an iron fist and didn't bother to change that into a titanium fist.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:13 am

RedNation wrote:
I would also like to point out that the type of Government has nothing to do with the government killing its on people, it has to do with the PEOPLE ruling the government
and the form of goverment wich gives them the ability to kill those pepole.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:43 pm

strange ,but those who say yes never lived in ssrs nor in post-sovietic country... Why do you think this post-sovietic country people hates ssrs so much?...
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:00 pm

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strange ,but those who say yes never lived in ssrs nor in post-sovietic country... Why do you think this post-sovietic country people hates ssrs so much?...
bec ause it was state capitalism.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:02 pm

cary jebus wrote:
comiescums wrote:
strange ,but those who say yes never lived in ssrs nor in post-sovietic country... Why do you think this post-sovietic country people hates ssrs so much?...
bec ause it was state capitalism.
it's called socalism
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:37 am

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it's called socalism

No. It is state capitalism. Ever WONDER why the government gets EVERYTHING and the people recieve nothing?

That's capitalism to the EXTREME.

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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:37 am

mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
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strange ,but those who say yes never lived in ssrs nor in post-sovietic country... Why do you think this post-sovietic country people hates ssrs so much?...
bec ause it was state capitalism.
it's called socalism
you apear to not be sounding it out right, here ill help.

STA-ETE cap-it-ill-ism
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:46 am

cary jebus wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
comiescums wrote:
strange ,but those who say yes never lived in ssrs nor in post-sovietic country... Why do you think this post-sovietic country people hates ssrs so much?...
bec ause it was state capitalism.
it's called socalism
you apear to not be sounding it out right, here ill help.

STA-ETE cap-it-ill-ism
socalism is the incorparation of all industry into goverment hands wheile still maintaining the market.

socalism
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:41 am

mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
comiescums wrote:
strange ,but those who say yes never lived in ssrs nor in post-sovietic country... Why do you think this post-sovietic country people hates ssrs so much?...
bec ause it was state capitalism.
it's called socalism
you apear to not be sounding it out right, here ill help.

STA-ETE cap-it-ill-ism
socalism is the incorparation of all industry into goverment hands wheile still maintaining the market.

socalism

socialism

Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1] This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, worker, or community ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments throughout history.

state capitalism

State capitalism, in its classic meaning, is a private capitalist economy under state control. This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.[1] In more modern sense, state capitalism is a term used to describe a system where state is intervening in the markets to protect and advance interests of big business. This practice is in sharp contrast with the ideals of free market capitalism.[2]
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:53 pm

cary jebus wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
comiescums wrote:
strange ,but those who say yes never lived in ssrs nor in post-sovietic country... Why do you think this post-sovietic country people hates ssrs so much?...
bec ause it was state capitalism.
it's called socalism
you apear to not be sounding it out right, here ill help.

STA-ETE cap-it-ill-ism
socalism is the incorparation of all industry into goverment hands wheile still maintaining the market.

socalism

socialism

Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1] This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, worker, or community ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments throughout history.

state capitalism

State capitalism, in its classic meaning, is a private capitalist economy under state control. This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.[1] In more modern sense, state capitalism is a term used to describe a system where state is intervening in the markets to protect and advance interests of big business. This practice is in sharp contrast with the ideals of free market capitalism.[2]
socalist goverments, cuba, venuzuvela, china
all have compete controle of the econamy

this is state capitalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

State capitalism, in its classic meaning, is a private capitalist economy under state control. This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.[1] In more modern sense, state capitalism is a term used to describe a system where state is intervening in the markets to protect and advance interests of big business. This practice is in sharp contrast with the ideals of free market capitalism.[2]
This term is also used by some heterodox economists to describe a society wherein the productive forces are owned and run by a state in a capitalist way, even if such a state chooses to call itself socialist.[3] Within Marxist literature, state capitalism is usually defined in the latter sense: as a social system combining capitalism — the wage system of producing and appropriating surplus value — with ownership by a state apparatus. By that definition, a state capitalist country is a country where the government controls the economy and essentially acts like a single giant corporation.

The term itself was in use within the socialist movement from the late nineteenth century onwards. Wilhelm Liebknecht in 1896 said: "Nobody has combatted State Socialism more than we German Socialists; nobody has shown more distinctively than I, that State Socialism is really State capitalism!" [4]
There are various theories and critiques of state capitalism, some of which have been around since the October Revolution. The common themes among them are to identify that the workers do not meaningfully control the means of production and that commodity relations and production for profit still occur within state capitalism
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:56 am

those are not TRUE socialist states
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:43 pm

cary jebus wrote:
those are not TRUE socialist states
true socalist states are communist and not socalist.
but I've proven my point and your wrong tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:42 pm

mattabesta wrote:
true socalist states are communist and not socalist.
but I've proven my point and your wrong tongue

WTF?! Dude. All of us "communists" here have reliterated to you here MULTIPLE TIMES, that there has been NO communist country.

EVER. Lemme say it again.
THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY! EVAH!

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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:14 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
true socalist states are communist and not socalist.
but I've proven my point and your wrong tongue

WTF?! Dude. All of us "communists" here have reliterated to you here MULTIPLE TIMES, that there has been NO communist country.

EVER. Lemme say it again.
THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY! EVAH!
I KNOW
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:18 am

kahnsguard wrote:
WTF!!!!!!??????[sWTF!!!!!!??????ize=24]WTF!!!!!!??????[/size]WTF!!!!!!??????WTF!!!!!!??????WTF!!!!!!??????
huh?
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:22 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY! EVAH!

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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:24 am

kahnsguard wrote:
Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY! EVAH!
yes and?
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:49 pm

mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY! EVAH!
I really am missing the point here
you clamed cuba was socialist
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:06 am

cary jebus wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
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THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY! EVAH!
I really am missing the point here
you clamed cuba was socialist

It is.

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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:28 am

cary jebus wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY! EVAH!
I really am missing the point here
you clamed cuba was socialist
it is
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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:53 pm

mattabesta wrote:
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ok so the worker can not get a promotion even though he's ten times better then his fellow workers?
no, he gets dignity and pride
ok i see now why communism is only pobular with a small group of pepole.
even thoug i work harder produce more do better than my negbour my life will alwaies be the same qualaty.
good in a ressesion bad in a boom

BolshevikClock wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
ok so the worker can not get a promotion even though he's ten times better then his fellow workers?
no, he gets dignity and pride
ok i see now why communism is only POPULAR with a small group of PEOPLE. even THOUGH i work harder produce more do better than my NEIGHBOUR my life will ALWAYS be the same QUALITY.
good in a RECESSION bad in a boom.

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PostSubject: Re: Your political side   Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:39 pm

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ok i see now why communism is only pobular with a small group of pepole.
even thoug i work harder produce more do better than my negbour my life will alwaies be the same qualaty.
False. Also Cuba is not socialist.
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