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PostSubject: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:28 am

Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough for people to make a decent living ? - considering the cost of living.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:13 am

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Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough for people to make a decent living ? - considering the cost of living.
It depends were they live. Where I live the price for a 2 bedroom house is like $425,000, but were one of my best friends is from, he had eight acres of land and a 4 bedroom house that was only $275,000. Over all though, the US (believe it or not) has a fairly good minimum wage, but the said thing is were i live most of the people make either minimum wage or over $100,000 the minimum wage familys don't get nearly enough money...to suport them selves and possibly even others. But this is just in the suburbs of washington DC, like I said earlier the US has an ok minimum wage, but the federal goverment doesn't consider housing prives diffeer from reigon to reigon.

The Federal Government should make a minimum-minimum wage, which can be raised by a state govenor. What do you think about that idea?
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:29 am

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The Federal Government should make a minimum-minimum wage, which can be raised by a state govenor. What do you think about that idea?[/quote
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As far as im aware your minimum wage is $5.85 per hour
Ours is €8.65 per hour which = $13.67 per hour - its roughly the same in France and the UK.

An employer, by law, must pay the appropriate minimum hourly rate of pay. It is a criminal offence for an employer to pay any employee less.

The state gov idea sounds suspicious a govenor may have vested interests.

Here nearly everyone in the private sector is a member of SIPTU our main union. They push for reforms in gov and protect workers rights, when anyone has a problem they just contact their local union rep.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:34 am

Minimum wage should be 15 bucks an hour.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:45 am

The current minimum wage is not a living wage.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:12 am

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The current minimum wage is not a living wage.
thats the understatement of the year. But remember the capitalist need to keep the workers just above absolute poverty for the system to work

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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:40 am

Liveable wages are needed

not minimum wages


i think that sums it up
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:49 pm

the minum wage in iceland is about 11dollars an hour and low income poepole don't pay tax.
I't's good but not good enuf.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:02 am

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the minum wage in iceland is about 11dollars an hour and low income poepole don't pay tax.
I't's good but not good enuf.

shouldn't you be supporting the total abolishing of minimum wages.
you know, let the workers earn 1 euro per hour, because there are still unemployed...
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:10 am

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shouldn't you be supporting the total abolishing of minimum wages.
you know, let the workers earn 1 euro per hour, because there are still unemployed...
Why does that sound wierd coming from a socialist. why does wierd look like its spelled wrong. weird . thats better.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:15 am

he is saying that because matt is a cappie
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:39 am

Kenzu wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
the minum wage in iceland is about 11dollars an hour and low income poepole don't pay tax.
I't's good but not good enuf.

shouldn't you be supporting the total abolishing of minimum wages.
you know, let the workers earn 1 euro per hour, because there are still unemployed...
what do you mean???
why should I be supporting corparations in abusing theyer workers???
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:40 am

mattabesta wrote:
Kenzu wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
the minum wage in iceland is about 11dollars an hour and low income poepole don't pay tax.
I't's good but not good enuf.

shouldn't you be supporting the total abolishing of minimum wages.
you know, let the workers earn 1 euro per hour, because there are still unemployed...
what do you mean???
why should I be supporting corparations in abusing theyer workers???

being for capitalism is for profits

cheap labor means more profits
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:41 am

That's exactly what I was thinking! It's because kenzu is an evil closet fash. spammi, will you join me and mark in the antikenzu revolution?
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:48 am

MarxistFreeman wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Kenzu wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
the minum wage in iceland is about 11dollars an hour and low income poepole don't pay tax.
I't's good but not good enuf.

shouldn't you be supporting the total abolishing of minimum wages.
you know, let the workers earn 1 euro per hour, because there are still unemployed...
what do you mean???
why should I be supporting corparations in abusing theyer workers???

being for capitalism is for profits

cheap labor means more profits

yes it is true minimum wage is bad if you are a very unfair person.

if you pai littel for the job you are offering nobody will take it and you are forced to pay more till someone takes it, well this is what happens usally.

but some corparations are evil and pay theyer workers very littel and convince them that they can't pay them more.

minimum wage puts a threshold on this opression.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:51 am

But you are a cappie so you support oppresion.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:52 am

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But you are a cappie so you support oppresion.

*high five*
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:54 am

Pannekoek wrote:
But you are a cappie so you support oppresion.

how shorsighted of you.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:58 am

Well naturally the capitalists derive their profit from exploiting the workers. That's what makes cpaitlism work.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:59 am

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Well naturally the capitalists derive their profit from exploiting the workers. That's what makes cpaitlism work.

no capitalism works with the market and usally evrybody wins in the end.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:02 am

But profit aka surplus value is derived from not paying the workers the full value of their labor. Thus exploitation is necessary. You seem to be thinking of it in terms of pie slices, which is irrelevant. Exploitation is caused by not paying the full value of the labor power.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:05 am

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But profit aka surplus value is derived from not paying the workers the full value of their labor. Thus exploitation is necessary. You seem to be thinking of it in terms of pie slices, which is irrelevant. Exploitation is caused by not paying the full value of the labor power.

yup and then the owner gets more money than the workers wich is right becuse he built the factory and he has worked to pay for it.

this creaates a pyramid but, becuse the rich man is so rich he fules cunsumption creating revenue for othere workeres, so infact he is not just paying his own workers salary but othere rich pepoles too.

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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:07 am

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becuse he built the factory
Oh. See, I thought it was workers who built things, but now I see that you are right. It's really the bourgeoisie that do. It's all becoming clear now.
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:11 am

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becuse he built the factory
Oh. See, I thought it was workers who built things, but now I see that you are right. It's really the bourgeoisie that do. It's all becoming clear now.
ofcousres he didn't build it himself but he payd for the construction.

btw what is bourgeoisie
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PostSubject: Re: Are minimum wage rates in the US high enough ?   Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:18 am

bourgeoisie=capitalist.

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he payd for the construction
And he exploited the workers who built that.
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