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Watermelon
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:07 am

protectionsim is bad. free rade is bad. everything is bad because its capitalism. there is no such thing as socialism in one country. socialism is worldwide or it is not socialism. there will be no countries in socialism.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:10 am

Watermelon wrote:
protectionsim is bad. free rade is bad. everything is bad because its capitalism. there is no such thing as socialism in one country. socialism is worldwide or it is not socialism. there will be no countries in socialism.

but obviously there are countries in capitalism, and in capitalism, if a country is socialist, it gets sanctions against it, which are bad if the country can't stand on its own two legs

i'm not advocating that socialist regions (prefer that term?) remain isolated, just that they can survive being isolated by the capitalist nations
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:12 am

socialism can not exist when there is capitalism anywhere in the world. there can be no socialist region.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:15 am

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socialism can not exist when there is capitalism anywhere in the world. there can be no socialist region.

...then replace socialist region to "capitalist nation that happens to plan its economy" by all means o.0;;

and i thought a communist world could not exist so long as there was capitalism, not a socialist region

btw, i know that in the end, if other nations don't rise up, the socialist "nation" would collapse, i just think the "nation" would last longer if it could survive economic sanctions
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:22 am

capitalism is bad

you think that because your a noob

same as above
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:23 am

Watermelon wrote:
capitalism is bad

you think that because your a noob

same as above

well, then, what's the "correct" way to think of it? -_-
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:25 am

there is no correct way, only a l33t way and a nubbish way
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:31 am

Watermelon wrote:
there is no correct way, only a l33t way and a nubbish way

...so until i've been here long enough, i'll be wrong by your standards...?
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 3:13 am

no until you demonsrate a sufficient knowledge of marxist science but you are on the right path trust me.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 4:31 am

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no until you demonsrate a sufficient knowledge of marxist science but you are on the right path trust me.

...thank you? oh well...so, i guess i'll go read capital now...lol
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 10:42 pm

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love, solitary do you relly belev pepole will do that?

Yes. Social revolution has a very powerful effect on people.

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I mean we're built for compitition

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life is just one BIG compititon to stay alive.

It is because capitalism makes it that way.

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motivation.. in communism I just must LOL a bit here

You can "lol" as much as you want, but what you cannot do is come up with a coherent, logical argument. All you can do is laugh and assume you've won.

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you think that because your a noob
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matt why dont you reply to me instead of picking on the people who dont understand what theyr talking about.
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Oh thanks that is great justification for picking on n00bz instead of trying to confront a legendary scientist.
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matt quit preying on the runts

Emy, lose the 'holier than thou' attitude. It's wearing me thin.

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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 11:59 pm

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togethere to insure survival LOL that'S unnessisary since the state is obligated to give evryone the same what ever they do for a living.

Matt Im not sure what your implying - people cannot live in complete material equality on the basis that we are naturally competitive ?

Iv heard that one thousands of times and it still makes me laugh Very Happy

The truth is that material consumerist mentality is a byproduct of capitalist society. Capitalism requires greed in order to function.

Humans did 'not 'always exist in a stratified state - early hunter gatherer society was largely non stratified, they worked on a gift economy and displayed the kinship orientation. This is accepted fact among anthropologists

Prof - John Gowdy writes: "Assumptions about human behaviour that members of market societies believe to be universal, that humans are naturally competitive and acquisitive, and that social stratification is natural, do not apply to many hunter-gatherer peoples."
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Mon May 26, 2008 2:21 am

ok.... man has anyone here got to know "the theory of evolution"?
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Mon May 26, 2008 2:39 am

mattabesta wrote:
ok.... man has anyone here got to know "the theory of evolution"?

Yes everyone is familiar with Darwin's theory

I don't think you completely understand its implications
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Mon May 26, 2008 10:57 am

the strongest survives?
or maybe could it be the most able?
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Tue May 27, 2008 9:42 pm

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the strongest survives?
or maybe could it be the most able?

I don't think you understand how little that pertains to this subject. I find it funny that you still think you are correct, but you have yet to come up with an explanation or an argument as to why you are correct.

This whole bred for competition argument of yours is completely fallacious. Nothing can be accomplished without cooperation. All we seek to do is restore cooperation to its natural state, and abolish the artificiality that has been imposed upon it by capitalism and forced competition between all within their respective classes.

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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Tue May 27, 2008 11:03 pm

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This whole bred for competition argument of yours is completely fallacious. Nothing can be accomplished without cooperation. All we seek to do is restore cooperation to its natural state, and abolish the artificiality that has been imposed upon it by capitalism and forced competition between all within their respective classes.

Human society does not 'require' material inequality class or property. Most capitalists base their entire argument on the flawed theory that social stratification is essential to human society- an outdated fallacy rejected by the anthropology community. While social stratification exists it is by no means 'essential'. What capitalists actually mean when they say that it's essential is that it is essential to 'capitalist society' - therefore, since they reject the notion that any other type of society can exist they claim - 'capitalism is human nature'. Considering they reject the concept of non capitalist society they reason that if capitalism where to cease mankind would be doomed.

When presented with the 'fact' that many societies existed without stratification they go into brain freeze either denying it or changing the subject to something like - Stalin was an evil man so your wrong wrong wrong The same responce is to be expected if you mention gift economies
or the kinship orientation.
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