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PostSubject: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:11 am

Will the US ever become socialist ? I watch Fox News and I doubt it.

The people of the US have been subjected to propaganda on a daily basis for
over half a century. To adheer to the wishes of their neo liberal corporate masters is second nature at this point. The great majority of Americans are infected with an anti socialist mindset that is virtually ingrained into modern American culture.

The more I think about the more it seems likely that future revolution will be
directed against the US, considering it is the seat of corporate power, modern
neo liberal imperialism and capitalist idiology. I have no doubt some in the US will revolt but the vast majority will side with their neo liberal masters.

Which leads us to the question, can the Socialism ever succeed in a world led
by the US corporate machine - WTO? the IMF? and the military industrial complex ?
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:32 am

worldwide socialism is inevitable
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:36 am

Watermelon wrote:
worldwide socialism is inevitable


Yes but considering the conditions the developing world will revolt against what will be percieved as US exploitation - the US gov and leaders will sell the revolt as terrorism to the American people and they will buy it. - you get where Im going
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:37 am

I doubt it will suceed. The US military budget is the HIGHEST in the world. They spend about 63oish billion, compared to the world's grand total of 500 billion.

That's a 130 billion difference.

The US military might will postively 4$$ rape and pillage the entire world to benefit itself when the time comes.

That is, if China doesn't intervene first...

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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:38 am

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the US gov and leaders will sell the revolt as terrorism to the American people and they will buy it. - you get where Im going

lol, internal CIVIL WAR!!!

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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:39 am

Then either the rest of the world owns the US or the contradictions of capitalism destroy the US. either way socialism victories.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:43 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
inkus2000 wrote:

the US gov and leaders will sell the revolt as terrorism to the American people and they will buy it. - you get where Im going

lol, internal CIVIL WAR!!!

I doubt it - mass riots maybe - but the US gov would sell any socialist revolutions as terrorism to the US people with ease and prob invade.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:48 am

Yeah...that's true. It's terribly unfortunate.

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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 1:51 am

You are forgetting the economics-the laws of capitalism-the internal contradictions which ensure it doom.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 2:02 am

Watermelon wrote:
You are forgetting the economics-the laws of capitalism-the internal contradictions which ensure it doom.

You know Marx was refering to total free market capitalism - most developed
nations don't use that.

Internal contradictions such as ?
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 2:58 am

free market capitalism and social democracy are false divisions. there is only capitalism. the laws apply to all forms of capitalism.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 3:04 am

Watermelon wrote:
free market capitalism and social democracy are false divisions. there is only capitalism. the laws apply to all forms of capitalism.

Internal contradictions such as ?
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 3:05 am

Watermelon wrote:
You are forgetting the economics-the laws of capitalism-the internal contradictions which ensure it doom.

That's most cretainity true.

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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 3:17 am

Lol do you even know what they are.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 3:34 am

I got fow news 6 months ago, I like it, It shapes my Idear of the world
I belev evry word.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 4:05 am

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Lol do you even know what they are.

I've read the Communist Manifesto. I understand it.

It basically said, "capitalism destroys itself by stripping the world of resources faster than it can EVER replace them".

That's all the definition I need for a capitalist society to fail. Case and point: USA's health care system.

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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 10, 2008 3:27 pm

Read Das Kapital. Explains the laws of capitalism and why it is doomed to fail.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Tue May 20, 2008 7:02 am

How about....Socialism and Capitolism can coincide in peace and learn stuff from eachother to create a better system involving aspects of both ideas?



And just for your information, noone actually trusts fox news. It is the butt of every joke in every other news group. Only people that believe it are the religious extremes...which every country has a slight problem with.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sat May 24, 2008 7:08 pm

VRaptorX wrote:
How about....Socialism and Capitolism can coincide in peace and learn stuff from eachother to create a better system involving aspects of both ideas?



And just for your information, noone actually trusts fox news. It is the butt of every joke in every other news group. Only people that believe it are the religious extremes...which every country has a slight problem with.
you mean like what europe is doing?
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sun May 25, 2008 12:30 am

Lol vraptorx sounds like a petit-bourgeois. he two things are incopmatible socialism is doctatorship of proletariat capitalism is dictatorship of bourgeosie. They dont combine. You can have an economy which is kind of like a mixture but it wont be. If you think so you have no knowledge of class struggle like the large majotiy of this forum. Maybe AD and mark but both of them are idealists.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:45 am

economy like a mixture.....hmm like CANADA. yeah...last time I checked Canada is not in any sort of trouble. I'd say we can keep USA government almost the same (just get rid of electoral collage and go popular vote) and just add some perks like free universal health care.


That and having Obama would help. He actually wants to talk and come to an understanding instead of bomb someone. Violence should be a last resort only.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sun May 25, 2008 3:16 am

i didnt say in trouble i just said capitalism is bad. plus capitalism will inevitably end anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sun May 25, 2008 3:12 pm

I think the likelihood of a Socialist state rising in the U.S. is more likely than in areas such as Africa or the Middle East. However, it will be a difficult thing to bring about. And it won't be through force of arms, or even in any sort of uprising; it will happen when people realize that Capitalism is failing us, is squandering our resources to the rich, and is the reason that so many of us are starting to tread nearer and nearer towards the poverty line, due to free market economics. Once people recognize these faults, they will have no choice other than to alter our government.

There appears to be this great taboo in this country on anything that even resembles Socialism or, to a less extreme step, Welfarism. I just finished a book from Barry Goldwater called "The Conscience of a Conservative" (It was disgusting and full of rhetoric.) that re-affirms this sentiment. Moreover, it made me realize that people are genuinely afraid of such a state coming about, but it seems to me that they're not entirely sure why. It has simply been indoctrinated into them to avoid leftist politics, due in large part, I feel, to our involvement in the Cold War and our opposition to the U.S.S.R., and it will continue to be if such rhetoric similar to Goldwater's book continues to come about. Which it will.

But I have faith in mankind's consistent ability to progress, so I think the Socialist state has a chance of coming about.

A Communist state would be kind of pushing it, though. Baby steps.
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sun May 25, 2008 5:47 pm

the usa has never been socalist, not even close to it but I think that the us will move farther to the left but not over to the left like you said WeiWuWei americans are feeling the need for some things to be goverment owned praticulary heatlth care.

"falling under the povrety line" mostly due to the credit crisis wich is coming to an end and will be reversed in the next 2 years and this has to do with banking not capitalism so it's the banking system that failed us.

and yeah communism in the us is maybe for the year 5000000000
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PostSubject: Re: The US - target of the revolution?   Sun May 25, 2008 8:37 pm

mattabesta wrote:
the usa has never been socalist, not even close to it but I think that the us will move farther to the left but not over to the left like you said WeiWuWei americans are feeling the need for some things to be goverment owned praticulary heatlth care.

"falling under the povrety line" mostly due to the credit crisis wich is coming to an end and will be reversed in the next 2 years and this has to do with banking not capitalism so it's the banking system that failed us.

and yeah communism in the us is maybe for the year 5000000000

the u.s. has socialized things...like education, police, firefighters, and social security...so saying its not even close is exaggerating
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