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PostSubject: i am against privatization but...   Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:28 am

i am against privatization but i think that communisim has proven its self inefective... I think aim for a world that has public health care, daycare, schooling, university (even more than just public in denmark you even get payed to unviersity) but i think private buissness and land ownership are good things... also you have to look at teh economic impacts of of raising taxes to acomidate all thoughs pubic services! When you rais taxes for the rich they usally run away making it hard for the copany to have wealth from its citizens. In communism you dont have to worry about this because no one is rich. On the other it is to hard for some one to fairly distribute wealth and resources justly among our people...

i'm just so confused what o you think??
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:39 am

The greatest thing China ever did was turn itself from >State Capitalist< to a true Capitalist country by privatizing farms and business's... China is now the second most powerful country in the world because of it.((Wont consider it above the US because the wealth gap there is large and has no middle class..dont even consider it a true superpower yet but it will get there..))
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:15 am

ubuntu wrote:
i am against privatization but i think that communisim has proven its self inefective...
Yet anotherone that thinks that there has been communism.
My friend, some news: there has been no communism nor socialism anywhere so you can't say it has been ineffective.

ubuntu wrote:

I think aim for a world that has public health care, daycare, schooling, university (even more than just public in denmark you even get payed to unviersity) but i think private buissness and land ownership are good things...

And why do you think private business and land ownership are good?

ubuntu wrote:

also you have to look at teh economic impacts of of raising taxes to acomidate all thoughs pubic services! When you rais taxes for the rich they usally run away making it hard for the copany to have wealth from its citizens.
Yes, that's why social tending capitalisms may face many problems of contradiction. However you can always make some balance effective.

ubuntu wrote:

In communism you dont have to worry about this because no one is rich. On the other it is to hard for some one to fairly distribute wealth and resources justly among our people...

In communism there's no money, no material wealth, just production and distribution. Work makes you deserve to have your needs satisfied. How to fairly distribute things? With the proper infrastructure and legislation.

ubuntu wrote:

i'm just so confused what o you think??

Don't worry, you'll be able to clearout things.
Think: What do you want and why?
What do you consider correct and why?
What's your aim and why?

That should help you.
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:17 am

Diogritor wrote:
The greatest thing China ever did was turn itself from >State Capitalist< to a true Capitalist country by privatizing farms and business's... China is now the second most powerful country in the world because of it.((Wont consider it above the US because the wealth gap there is large and has no middle class..dont even consider it a true superpower yet but it will get there..))

China is actually still a State Capitalism it's just more moderated.
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:20 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
ubuntu wrote:
i am against privatization but i think that communisim has proven its self inefective...
Yet anotherone that thinks that there has been communism.
My friend, some news: there has been no communism nor socialism anywhere so you can't say it has been ineffective.

ubuntu wrote:

I think aim for a world that has public health care, daycare, schooling, university (even more than just public in denmark you even get payed to unviersity) but i think private buissness and land ownership are good things...

And why do you think private business and land ownership are good?

ubuntu wrote:

also you have to look at teh economic impacts of of raising taxes to acomidate all thoughs pubic services! When you rais taxes for the rich they usally run away making it hard for the copany to have wealth from its citizens.
Yes, that's why social tending capitalisms may face many problems of contradiction. However you can always make some balance effective.

ubuntu wrote:

In communism you dont have to worry about this because no one is rich. On the other it is to hard for some one to fairly distribute wealth and resources justly among our people...

In communism there's no money, no material wealth, just production and distribution. Work makes you deserve to have your needs satisfied. How to fairly distribute things? With the proper infrastructure and legislation.

ubuntu wrote:

i'm just so confused what o you think??

Don't worry, you'll be able to clearout things.
Think: What do you want and why?
What do you consider correct and why?
What's your aim and why?

That should help you.
In Capitalism you are rewarded for your work..its called a paycheck..

We make things and then consume them also! Sounds like Capitalism is Communism.... my brain hurts now.
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:34 am

Diogritor wrote:

In Capitalism you are rewarded for your work..its called a paycheck..

Which is represented in money, which you can exchange for anything of which price is within the ammount of money you have.

In communism, instead of money, you acquire the right to posses what you need.

Diogritor wrote:

We make things and then consume them also! Sounds like Capitalism is Communism.... my brain hurts now.

In capitalism you can consume according to what you earn or posses in monetary wealth. It might be enough to cover your needs, might be not enough or more than enough. In capitalism each consumes according to capacity.

In communism things are produced and distributed. Not bought, not traded. You work and get right to get a house, food, electricity, water, etc. all your freedoms. You don't work as long as you can work and you get right to nothing and are put to forced labour.
Everyone gets according to his needs and produces according to capacity.
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:51 pm

Actually Socialism has existed and does... Cuba, Venezuela and Vietnam.
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:33 am

tEvansky wrote:
Actually Socialism has existed and does... Cuba, Venezuela and Vietnam.

Those are socialist tending state capitalisms. They're contradictory, thus non-workable. Mediocre attempts of socialism.
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:27 pm

Diogritor wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
ubuntu wrote:
i am against privatization but i think that communisim has proven its self inefective...
Yet anotherone that thinks that there has been communism.
My friend, some news: there has been no communism nor socialism anywhere so you can't say it has been ineffective.

ubuntu wrote:

I think aim for a world that has public health care, daycare, schooling, university (even more than just public in denmark you even get payed to unviersity) but i think private buissness and land ownership are good things...

And why do you think private business and land ownership are good?

ubuntu wrote:

also you have to look at teh economic impacts of of raising taxes to acomidate all thoughs pubic services! When you rais taxes for the rich they usally run away making it hard for the copany to have wealth from its citizens.
Yes, that's why social tending capitalisms may face many problems of contradiction. However you can always make some balance effective.

ubuntu wrote:

In communism you dont have to worry about this because no one is rich. On the other it is to hard for some one to fairly distribute wealth and resources justly among our people...

In communism there's no money, no material wealth, just production and distribution. Work makes you deserve to have your needs satisfied. How to fairly distribute things? With the proper infrastructure and legislation.

ubuntu wrote:

i'm just so confused what o you think??

Don't worry, you'll be able to clearout things.
Think: What do you want and why?
What do you consider correct and why?
What's your aim and why?

That should help you.
In Capitalism you are rewarded for your work..its called a paycheck..

We make things and then consume them also! Sounds like Capitalism is Communism.... my brain hurts now.
lol!
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PostSubject: Re: i am against privatization but...   Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:49 pm

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Could you elaborate Matthias?
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