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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:16 pm

dude please. if the workers were so poor, why did they need a wankard partie to tell them they are poor.

exactly.

when peppul are poor enough they will know what do do on their own. its not like:

oh no im starving to death and getting paid less every day but my boss is rich as hell. o well theres nothing i can do i guess il just let myself srtave sto death
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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:27 pm

im gonna get banned

you're ignorance sickens me

a worker's vanguard is for strategically overthrowing the bourgeoisie and creating a sound and healthy worker's state

NO one is born a marxist and BECAUSE the poor do not have the same access IF ANY access to the institutions of power from which they can empower themselves like the bourgeoisie has in the past in THEIR revolutions.

Yes they knew they were poor but they didn't look at things from a class perspective. They were a predominantly backward peasant society and the proletarians that existed were basically proletarianized peasants. Where would they get the idea that their society is socially reactionary and that the only path forward is the smashing of the state. Who would teach them the nature of the state when it cannot be found in any bourgeois text book?

The worker's vangaurd not only provides the workers with a platform to discuss the correct way forward DEMOCRATICALLY but it also helps to bring a marxist perspective to workers that have not yet gained it.

I didn't know shit until i picked up a book on communism. So who would provide the workers with literature when revolutionary lit was banned?

where would they even get the books?


Im so pissed i have to waste my time doing this...ugh
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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:31 pm

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Yes they knew they were poor but they didn't look at things from a class perspective. They were a predominantly backward peasant society and the proletarians that existed were basically proletarianized peasants. Where would they get the idea that their society is socially reactionary and that the only path forward is the smashing of the state. Who would teach them the nature of the state when it cannot be found in any bourgeois text book?

their not poor enough maybe. or maybe they dont need to make socialism, capitalism instead. imnot relly sure but if they cant gain class consciousness therselves then it is not itme for a reveluction.

you dont learn how to make communism from books. no one knows how socialism will be. whoever tries to tell you is lying bastard. maybe it will be authoriatarsain state or maybe its like anarchy. who knows. at this point, whocares
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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:40 pm

they didn't need capitalism because it wasn't playing a progressive role, that is the industrialization of the means of production.

NO ONE GAINS CLASS CONSCIOUSNESS ALONE

and im not suggesting anyone knows what it ill look like but marxist theory is the best path we have to follow because it is the scientific study of reality.

any abortion of that scientific understanding will throw us into endless idealist (not addressing material reality) pursuits that will fail and HAVE failed.

Scientific socialism was birthed from books so i have no clue what your point is
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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:10 pm

dude. marxism just says socialism will come. not what it lloooks like.
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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:12 pm

if thats all socialism is to you then i think i am done here
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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:16 pm

so i win?
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PostSubject: Re: what materialisms is and why it does not includes leninisms   Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:44 pm

you are so fucking annoying it's unreal

yes that was worth it

*banned*
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