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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:44 am

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im not a cappie because i dont beleive capppietlism is better than commiienism. i f you want to say im not a socialist fine. i believe in siunce. marxism is sience. no one has so far tried to justify anything as far as i can tell. graet so i win?

Marxism is not a science -its a socio-economic theory
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:46 am

but isnt it all related to science. i mean ussuly everything falls into the category of scin.......i mean you said threoy
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:07 am

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but isnt it all related to science. i mean ussuly everything falls into the category of scin.......i mean you said threoy

No it needs to undergo successful experimentation and be based entirely on fact - Marxist social theory is based on assumptions - not least as to human nature, so I wouldn't consider it a science. Economics is not scientific either. Economics has almost always been based on generating theories rooted on whatever assumptions were required to make the theory work.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:20 am

marxism is complately sciunce. if you think its an assumpion its anti marxism.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:05 am

i dont think he cares if he is a-M. plus his explanation souds resonable, your dosnt!
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:27 am

his espalantion is marxism makes assumptions not facts wel IT MAKES FACTS NOT SAUMPETIONs so how is it reasonable if its falce
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:17 am

WeiWuWei wrote:
Islamic Theocratic Fascism FTW.
that makes me sick lol

Anarcho-syndaclism, but with an archduke with no power (me!).

seriosly, anarcho-syndaclism or syndaclism would be my choice.

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im not a cappie because i dont beleive capppietlism is better than commiienism. i f you want to say im not a socialist fine. i believe in siunce. marxism is sience. no one has so far tried to justify anything as far as i can tell. graet so i win?

You can't win because winning is subjective. And no one wants to post anything here because they know you'll just end up using childish arguments or arguments that we have already heard. We understand what this thread is about, so there's no use in posting here.
I agree!
Just wanted to post my views....Even though you probably won't convince people, it's worth it to express your thoughts sunny .
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:39 pm

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dud. who the hel keeps deleting a whole bucnch of stuf. its anoying.

I don't think anyone's deleted anything in this thread. And the thread is perfectly coherent, as far as i can tell.

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his espalantion is marxism makes assumptions not facts wel IT MAKES FACTS NOT SAUMPETIONs so how is it reasonable if its falce

Because you haven't proven jack-shit, whereas Inkus has at least put together an argument that we can relate to logically.

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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:05 pm

jackshit.....i am adding that to my list of swears.

and really watermelon,the only thing you have proved to me is that you care about the enviroment, but you really havnt used much reasoning in anything else.......except marxian economics
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:31 pm

Right then - Pick any one aspect of Marxism and explain how its a science
Marxism is not a science considering many of it's theories/predictions cannot be falseified, take historical materialism for instance -

In order to qualify as science it needs to be open to refutation through experimentation.



BTW - You have not replied to my responce on the capitalist economy
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:34 pm

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his espalantion is marxism makes assumptions not facts wel IT MAKES FACTS NOT SAUMPETIONs so how is it reasonable if its falce

Right then - Pick any one aspect of Marxism and explain how its a science
Marxism is not a science considering many of it's theories/predictions cannot be falseified, take historical materialism for instance -

In order to qualify as science it needs to be open to refutation through experimentation.



BTW - You have not replied to my responce on the capitalist economy
[url]http://worldrepublic.forumotion.com/people-s-library-f10/the-ussr-was-it-a-success-real-discussion-t119-20.htm#18218
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:35 am

please dont waste my time with popperian bullshit. his thoery of science isnt falsifiable so it doesnt even stand up to its own standards.

lusemburgs economics is siuntific because its based on obfeous things and historical analyisis.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:42 am

since whendid we switch form talking about marxian economics to luxem wahtever?
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:47 am

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please dont waste my time with popperian bullshit. his thoery of science isnt falsifiable so it doesnt even stand up to its own standards.

lusemburgs economics is siuntific because its based on obfeous things and historical analyisis.

Dont be so bloody stupid - individual recognition is no way to go about seeking truth - the mere existence of error in history disproves the notion that individuals have an innate capacity to recognize absolute truth. Scientific consensus is the only way to go -, otherwise we would have retarded Christian monks and Austrian economists running around preaching about the 'true' path to enlightenment . Of course the scientific method does not 'eliminate' the possibility of error, but it 'does' reduce it to the smallest degree possible.

Truth by fiat, individual intuition, minority verdict ect are all inferior to the scientific method. If you think otherwise your no different from those religious types you hate so much - The gospel according to Marx LOL:D
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:58 pm

its not intuition dumass. its obvious things. like such as people like money. pepol want to get money. youd on t even know the things.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:40 pm

marx wrote a book about hte PERFECT human beings. he thought that all would not wanna pursue money. thats why communism came up on a wrong theroe and hasnt been achieved yet
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:03 pm

no he didn.t he wrote that all people want money. what are you describing? it is what the bourgeoisie wish communism was. they wish it is utopia but its not it is inevitable. it is a historical necessity. have you read any volumes of capital?
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:11 pm

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its not intuition dumass. its obvious things. like such as people like money. pepol want to get money. youd on t even know the things.

You miss the point !

Marxism is very good socio economic philosophy - its NOT science !

I happen to believe that communism is a likely social outcome - however nothing is certain, its subject to human choice as much as anything,

You cant claim a theory is foolproof and certain unless you can PROVE IT using EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE ! - Otherwise its non scientific, get that through your head.

You sound like those stupid Austrian economists I argue with.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:09 am

yes he does Very Happy !

i got capital yesterday, i have read only 1 thought. my dad explained some to me
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:25 pm

objectev fact. to make a poroefit you have to sel it for mor than you pay the worker people.

you accept this fact then you accept scientific comunicm
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:27 pm

lol i bet he esplained wrong oh well. well also get accumulation of capital by rosa luxemburg and the other two volumes of capital and accumulation of capital: an anti-critique and grundrisse and wage labor and capitl and value price and profit.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:05 pm

I don't know why you don't refer him to "Marx's Capital for Beginners". It's a much easier read to ease you into Kapital, which has a tendency to overwhelm a lot of people.

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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:07 pm

Marxism is a science because it is dialectical and can be found in reality.

Like the example relt posted up.

It is the science of reality.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:26 am

ew als got marx explained throught comics its funny.
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PostSubject: Re: anyone wanna justify there political system?   Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:57 am

dud. get your own example. if your caling me a reformist then i wont let you have mine.

plus marx's capital for beginners is not written by marx. therefore it is bourgeois propaganda.
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