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PostSubject: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:08 am

okay so we knoe that. the capitalists pay working people less than what they sell their product for. this is the only way to make a porofit.

but then who will consume the products? because the workers can only consume the amount that their wages are. the capitalists will need to consume all the rest with their whole profit.

but if they do that, they dont have any more money to buy new nachinery or hire more people and expand their business. this is obveousle not how it works because thats not.

so how do they accumulate capital? its in rosa luxemburgs book, the accumulation of capital. she said that since a lot of the world still aint capitalist. like its peasants and native people and stuff like that.

wel gradually the capitalists have to conquer the native peoples lands and foerce them into buying their shit and being their workers. s

but when they conquer the whole world then they caint be acumulating no more capital. so the countries conquer each other.

then when its all done capitalism fails and communism wins. thank you
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PostSubject: Re: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:36 am

im sorry but...

can you write that any better so i can respond to it?
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PostSubject: Re: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:57 am

hel no. but you always. can read. accumulation of capital by rosa luxemburg OR accumulation of capital: an anti-critique

both can be found on marxists internet archive at marxists dot org
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PostSubject: Re: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:43 am

and then i can see how badly you butchered her theory?
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PostSubject: Re: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:29 am

So what do you think of this article:
World Revolution: another confused group
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Rosa Luxemburg did indeed try to demonstrate this, but her argument was based on a simple fallacy.
According to her, under "pure" capitalism (an economy where there are only capitalists and wage
workers) market demand was determined by consumption (what the workers spend on consumer goods
plus what the capitalists spend on consumer goods).

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Of course, to say that capitalism could in theory exist without external non-capitalist markets is not to say
that it always has done. External markets did play a key role in the birth and early growth of capitalism.
Similarly, to say that there is no permanent underconsumption built-in to the capitalist system is not to
say that there is therefore always a smooth crisis-free accumulation of capital. Far from it. Accumulation
under capitalism proceeds by fits and starts, but these crises are caused by other reasons than
underconsumption: by disproportions between the different branches of production leading to a fall in the
rate of profit or, at times, to a temporary retraction of the market demand for consumer goods.

Admittedly not all of it is relavant, but I think Paul Mattick wrote something along the same lines.
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PostSubject: Re: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:46 pm

that link is about the ICC which is not luxemburgist.

all of the stuf you psted is irelevent exept the first part about the falacy

plus idk whut exaclty that means but the thoery just says that consumption by the workers is at most the amount of money that the workers are paid in wages and that is not enough the give surplus value to the capitalists.

so the capitalists can consume all their own stuff but then they dont accumulate capital.
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PostSubject: Re: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:30 am

is this pro capitalist or anti???????????
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PostSubject: Re: rosa luxemburgs ecomonomic thoery   Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:31 pm

its anticapitalist obviously. rosa luxemburg was a marxist. this is saying capitalism wil die.
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