You guys just don't know politics at all. You've got all these bizarre theories and categories but you don't actually know anything about politics.

FACTS:

-liberal = left
Liberal means "Liberal use of government" or in the USA, "Liberal use of the elastic clause"

-Conservative = right
Conservative means "Conservative use of government" or in the USA, "Conservative use of the elastic clause".

that means LIBERAL = LARGE GOV'T and CONSERVATIVE = SMALL GOVERNMENT.

Capitalism is, essentially, default. If you take away government, for the most part, people will operate capitalistically. People will trade services for product, Liberals want this trade controlled, LIBERALLY, and conservatives want them controlled CONSERVATIVELY, ie, only when absolutely necessary.

Communism negates capitalism, it takes away the whole "normal operation of how things worked for thousands of years" and replaces it with a single giant monopoly, essentially a controlled economy absolutely. Communism is as far left as you can get.

Anachy is a total lack of control of the economy. It is far right, past where most conservatives find safe.

Then there's authoritarian versus libertarian

Statists believe in total control over your life. Communists are statist whether or not they want to accept this fact.

Socialism is close to statism but preserves some elements of freedom

Then there are moderates, reasonable amount of control

Then there are libertarians, low level of control

Finally, anarchists, no control.

Why do you guys find this system so hard?

And he calls us clueless...before saying an utter load of crap.

no. LIBERAL = Liberal government. Liberal means LOTS. Words man, words! Conservative = Conservative government. Less government, government only where needed. This is simple stuff, folks.

btw I tldr'd most of your stuff I can't read that much bs, I'm sorry I have my limits. You don't know what words mean. You guys just dont. I tried explaining it. You just don't get it. You are clueless. Completely clueless. You are fine examples of how public schooling has failed. Liberal isn't a complicated word. It means plenty. If you apply liberal amounts of ketchup to a burger you are adding alot of ketchup. If you apply ketchup conservatively, you add a little but not too much. Also why are we this far off-topic?

The fact is that people think this is a good idea, the polls indicate it's supported, they don't need to post about it. Should votes only be given to the biggest loudmouths? The quiet ones can have opinions too, you know.

Nillerz is talking about the word Liberal. Not the political expression.

Liberal didn't always mean "Support female and minority rights". Affirmative action programs intrude on business owners rights to run their business however they like. It's LIBERAL use of government. That's why dems cater to feminist and black rights groups.

I'm talking English. Do you speak it? Liberal means "Liberal". In the US it also means "Rights for minorities and women". This doesn't mean it's about freedom, it's not about freedom anywhere, really.

Okay, let me try going about this in another way. If you're so sure that Liberalism is a left-wing ideology, then what clear comparisons can you make between it and Socialism?

I should just also mention that your idea that Liberalism is "not about freedom" is totally fucking wrong. I don't know how else to say that. It's wrong.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/ - check out this link and read the first section about Liberalism and the debate about liberty. Then read the part about "New Liberalism", which is what you're talking about.

Socialism is an extreme form of liberalism.

Here's the thing: You can argue that liberalism was set up to protect freedom, maybe it does in your country, who knows? The fact remains, however, if you look at the Democratic party in the US, aka "liberals", you see programs to expand government programs, to increase taxes, and other things. Anything the government gets involved in, from highways to corporate bailouts, increases its size, increases its power, and increases the dynamic ways in which it can fuck over those it has power over. If in your country, Liberal means "protect the free market", then I'll concede that I'm a liberal: in YOUR country. I'm not in your country and I refuse to be labelled as something like that.

Also, personal liberty is not compatible with large government.

Okay, arguing about this won't get us anywhere, and since it is officially several weeks later, I'm just going to say that I think there should be a group that

-Supports a free market
-Supports a free individual
-Supports a restricted government
-Supports minarchal taxation
-Doesn't support anarchy

none of the current groups actually are that. 9 people think we should have this group I've described in my posts. 4 say no. I think it's very obvious that the group should exist.

White group, please!