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Liche
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|  Subject: Re: Coalitions  Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:16 am | |
| | inkus2000 wrote: | The way those parties are arranged is crazy.
The Left - believe in ending the predominance of free market capitalism in favour of planned socialist economy either through reform or revolution. Generally believe that individual rights do not come before the good of society as a whole.
Social democrats - reformists who seek to socialize capitalism very gradually.
Socialists - both reformists and revolutionaries
Communists - generally revolutionaries who advocate the imidiate destruction of capitalism.
Auth left wing - revolution
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The right - believe in the superiority of 'free market capitalism'
Liberals - both classical and modern/US - tend to allow a messure of socialism ie nationalized health ect. - believe individual rights are all important.
Conservitives - ban all socialism
Auth right wing- ban all socialism
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Anarchists - further right since they believe in total economic and social freedom. - liberal extreemists.
Greens - neutural although most green parties lean slightly left of centre. |
Anarchist = No leader
Thats imposible. So don't take the direct translation...
It meens people know best. If I tell you to climb a mountain my way, but you live on it and I've never even seen it, whose way should you do it? Your way. If I tell you to plough a field, and tell your neighbor to herd sheep, even though he is a farmer and you are a shepard, whose way should you do it? Your way. Every thing is fine the goverment benifets, makes suggestions but does not force you to do every thing a certain way. The people are happy, they work cooperatively with each other, and the goverment, the goverment listens with open, attentive ears. But then one day, the country is attacked. The goverment tells you to arm yoursel and meet at a designated out post. You've never been in a war...You want to cry. Your neighbor hugs you and say its ok every one is scared. Whose way should you do it? The goverments way! The war is ove the tyrant is pushed back to their country. You and your comrades are thanked, by innocents, refugees, politicians, the world. Who do you thank? The goverment! Who takes the credit? Every one!!!
This is an Anarchy. An anarchy is not a bunch of low life kids in Che Guevera shirts smoking weed and 'ripping the system'. Anarchists are people who think for them selves. People who are open minded. People who can tell rite from wrong. People who know when to listen, and when to act. Anarchists are not pushed around by a tyrant, or told that they can know longer shop at a local store because walmart put them out of buisness. An anarchist fights back.
Yes, I made this off the top of my head, mostly because Nillerz pisses me off and I turned my anger into concetration. If it sounds agressive, that rage is directed towards Nillerz, not you Inkus. I was just pointing out Anarchists cand come from the Left and Right, I tend to be neutral, but more on the Socialist side. Most of my comrade on WR are aswell, which is why we are with the coalition. |
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:45 pm | |
| You support anarchism in one country? Most anarchists don't but every ince in a while there is a national anarchist. That's one kind of anarchism I don't support.
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Liche
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:40 pm | |
| | Pannekoek wrote: | | You support anarchism in one country? Most anarchists don't but every ince in a while there is a national anarchist. That's one kind of anarchism I don't support. |
Like I've said many times before I am more syndicalist than anarchist...and I'd say a syndacalist country would work a lot better than a pure anarchist country. Maybe an anarcho-syndacalist country though lol. And my earlier explanation had some factors from a syndalist goverment like the 2 neighbors colaborating to get the work done more effectivily... |
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:27 pm | |
| | Quote: | | I am more syndicalist than anarchist |
Consider Marxism.
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Liche
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:05 am | |
| | Pannekoek wrote: | | Quote: | | I am more syndicalist than anarchist |
Consider Marxism. |
I have and the said thing is I'm still thinking about it...
When I try to find more information on it, the source is irellevant or the author as a libretarian....seriosly it gets annoying they only list the cons and no pros. But from what I do know about it, it sounds like a good concept. |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:32 am | |
| | Liche wrote: | | Pannekoek wrote: | | Quote: | | I am more syndicalist than anarchist |
Consider Marxism. |
I have and the said thing is I'm still thinking about it...
When I try to find more information on it, the source is irellevant or the author as a libretarian....seriosly it gets annoying they only list the cons and no pros. But from what I do know about it, it sounds like a good concept. |
You should read Marx then, its the best way to learn about Marxism.
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:35 am | |
| Or read my posts, that's nearly as good.
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mononokifool
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:13 am | |
| | Pannekoek wrote: | | Or read my posts, that's nearly as good. |
no, it is better to read for yourself.
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Liche
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:45 pm | |
| | mononokifool wrote: | | Pannekoek wrote: | | Or read my posts, that's nearly as good. |
no, it is better to read for yourself. |
Yep. Besides something tells me that other sources 'mite' have more information lol. |
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Anarchist.Dagger
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:34 pm | |
| | Riddler wrote: | | WTF? Why are the socdems and the authoritarians in opposition to the communists? Me protest! |
I agree, since the political ideologies of the people involved in the communist and socialist parties are authoritarian anyway. Are these coalitions still current?
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:01 pm | |
| | Quote: | | the political ideologies of the people involved in the communist and socialist parties are authoritarian anyway |
What a charming boy you are
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Anarchist.Dagger
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:59 pm | |
| | MarxistFreeman wrote: | | Quote: | | the political ideologies of the people involved in the communist and socialist parties are authoritarian anyway |
What a charming boy you are |
I wasn't trying to charm anyone. The dictatorship of the proletariat is authoritarian. The socialist transition is authoritarian. Just because you like it, doesn't make it wrong.
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:10 am | |
| the dictatorship is most certainly not authoritarian
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Riddler
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:36 am | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | the dictatorship is most certainly not authoritarian |
Authoritarian means the power of authority of one person - synonym of the dictature.
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:39 am | |
| | Riddler wrote: | | Watermelon wrote: | | the dictatorship is most certainly not authoritarian |
Authoritarian means the power of authority of one person - synonym of the dictature. |
capitalism is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat
communism is a classless society
the bourgeoisie being more than one person
same applies to the proletariat |
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:21 pm | |
| dictator means class not person
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:00 pm | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | dictator means class not person |
it doesn't necessarily mean ONLY one or the other |
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:03 pm | |
| for Marxism it does.
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Anarchist.Dagger
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:03 pm | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | for Marxism it does. |
We're not tryin to trap ourselves within the confines of marxism for this discussion; there's no point.
| Quote: | | Authoritarian means the power of authority of one person - synonym of the dictature. |
According to who?
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:20 pm | |
| So why is
Marxism authoritarian 
By the way I think we should boot the commies from our coalition. 
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