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Black_Cross
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 |  Subject: Re: Coalitions  Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:04 pm | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | So why is
Marxism authoritarian  |
I don't understand how you think it isn't. As long as there is a state, there is authority. During the dictatorship, the state will still exist, it will have just changed hands.
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:09 pm | |
| What is bad about a state? It is not bad if it is a proletarian state.
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Black_Cross
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:23 pm | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | What is bad about a state? |
Where'd you get that from? I do think it's bad, but i hadn't said that til just now.
| Quote: | | It is not bad if it is a proletarian state. |
Any political state can be only for one class, at the expense of the rest. Proletarians aren't the only workers, they aren't even the majority of the workers. So why would i condone a dictatorship of a minority over the majority?
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 2:53 am | |
| Lol the definition of proletarian is worker. also y is teh stayt badd.
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 7:35 am | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | for Marxism it does. |
it says that it can include the dictatorship of one person ALSO
dictatorship of the proletariat is dictatorship of a class |
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Black_Cross
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 5:41 pm | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | Lol the definition of proletarian is worker. also y is teh stayt badd. |
No, it's not. The definition of proletarian is generally tied to the industrial workers who produce, but do not own the means of their own production.
EDIT: Forgot to answer your question.
The state is bad because, by its very nature, it defends one class, either an existing one, or one it will inadvertantly create after a successful coup.
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 6:22 pm | |
| | NoJustice.NoPeace wrote: | | Watermelon wrote: | | Lol the definition of proletarian is worker. also y is teh stayt badd. |
No, it's not. The definition of proletarian is generally tied to the industrial workers who produce, but do not own the means of their own production. |
how dare we correct him on that which he claimed to have improved! |
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enviro
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed May 28, 2008 3:11 am | |
| the green miniority is in the majority rule. hahaha. by the way i emhbrace every function(excpet capitalism and aouthorian. so it seems fitting that i am with them.muahahahahahahaha.sorry to spam but i wanna get this out from what read from page 1
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:57 pm | |
| | Quote: | | No, it's not. The definition of proletarian is generally tied to the industrial workers who produce, but do not own the means of their own production. |
Lol. you make me laff ver y muchly. I will give you the truth definitions.
1. bourgeoisie: Teh class in capitalism taht owns teh means of perduction. tehy dont werk. tehy hire proletariats to werk.
2. proletariat: teh class in captialism not owning tehy own means of perductions. tehy werk for teh bourgeoisies.
3. means of perductiins: things that are used to perduce shtuff. examples: factories tools. NO A GARDEN SHOVE L IS NOT A MEANS OF PERDUCTIONS.
teh ends
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Liche
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:25 am | |
| | Don't trust proletarians. Thats all you need to know. |
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enviro
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:51 am | |
| why, they turn on you
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Black_Cross
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:55 am | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | 1. bourgeoisie: Teh class in capitalism taht owns teh means of perduction. tehy dont werk. tehy hire proletariats to werk. |
... Irrelevant.
| Quote: | | 2. proletariat: teh class in captialism not owning tehy own means of perductions. tehy werk for teh bourgeoisies. |
You need to brush up on your history.
Even Marx never denied that the proletarians that he wished to be the forefront of the revolution were the industrial workers. He believed that they are more organized and sophisticated, and not primitive and instinctual like the peasants and the lumpenproletariat.
This is of course disproven if you look at history and fact.
Of course people use the word proletariat to mean worker, but i assumed you used, since you were a marxist at the time, if i recall correctly, that term to mean industrial workers... In fact, i'm not even sure where we are in this debate since it was cold for such a long while.
| Quote: | | 3. means of perductiins: things that are used to perduce shtuff. examples: factories tools. NO A GARDEN SHOVE L IS NOT A MEANS OF PERDUCTIONS. |
No, not necessarily, but land is.
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enviro
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:01 am | |
| wow  your smart
well then again, i am smart in my feild. while i only had a breif education of communism, green is my life.
ps sorry for the spam
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I know that imprisonment will be harder for me than it has ever been for anyone, filled with cowardly threats and hideous cruelty. But I do not fear prison, as I do not fear the fury of the miserable tyrant who took the lives of 70 of my comrades. Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me."
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Liche
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:02 am | |
| | enviro wrote: | | wow your smart |
No, hes just a revolutionary 
He makes me proud lol  |
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enviro
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| | Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:05 am | |
| your mom makes me proud
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