this is not right i dont care who you are

i broke up with my ex a week or 2 ago, i dont like her i dont have a problem being frinds, that being said

shes pregnant and it is 150% mine

she is pissed at me , weve talked about it but she cant understand that i care only about my baby

i explaind this to her... in myroundabout way
now she dont want the kid and wants to abort (i think just to get back at me)


this should be illegal

Wow man, the girl from your work? That I think looks like a 12 year old?

Please tell me you at least wore a condom, or got completely shit faced and forgot, and had no will power over what you were doing. Well, its her choice, but I can understand your position, try and let her no that you will care for the baby, and if she wants it out of her life your willing to take care of it. But its pretty much her choice, unless abortion is illegal were you live, in that case you win.

no condom and i didnt pull out...ever

im not 100% shure if she is preggo she said she thought she was a few day before i brokeup with her but shes going to a doctor soon so ill no for absolute shure i she i or if shes fucking with my head

She's just trying to get back at ya. Most likely, she's not pregnant. But if she is, and wants to abort, you have obama to thank.

Abort that baby, I mean you are 18 year old dude, you still have to work hard to support yourself, and then a baby to and a bitch that probably wants money to. Its good for her to abort it, though I hope she is joking.

Now for some replies.

Liche wrote:

Wow man, the girl from your work? That I think looks like a 12 year old?

HE could see her pic but I can't?

comradered110397 wrote:

Most likely, she's not pregnant. But if she is, and wants to abort, you have obama to thank.

What? You are trying to let him blame Obama for making abortion legal? If so, you kinda fail since I atleast think that Bush already legalized it...

No Bush made it illegal.

Once you're sure she's pregnant, I believe you have the right and arguably teh obligation to protest for your baby's life.

Life sucks anyway, but who knows maybe there will be a bright future that your baby may enjoy.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Once you're sure she's pregnant, I believe you have the right and arguably teh obligation to protest for your baby's life.

Life sucks anyway, but who knows maybe there will be a bright future that your baby may enjoy.

Like the bright life of exploitation by some rich guy. Mabye not, im just saying.

comrade110397 wrote:

Like the bright life of exploitation by some rich guy. Mabye not, im just saying.

That baby could actually enjoy the fruits of revolution.

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this should be illegal

Considering you're not the one who'll be growing a life inside of you or the one who'll have to push a baby out of your vagina, i think you should be more considerate. If you wanna have a kid, have it with someone who also wants to have a kid. Otherwise, you're not being very considerate of the childs future, let alone this girl's body.

Black_Cross wrote:

Considering you're not the one who'll be growing a life inside of you or the one who'll have to push a baby out of your vagina, i think you should be more considerate. If you wanna have a kid, have it with someone who also wants to have a kid. Otherwise, you're not being very considerate of the childs future, let alone this girl's body.

I second this.

I think its more of a decicion for the women then men, and its kinda weird that men are so anti-abortion/pro-life, they have nearly a saying in it, ofcourse if they wanna keep a baby they need to talk with their partner or one-nightstand gal.

Since I consider that it is a living human in development (and science and logic are on my side), thus it is murder, the matter for me is this "Is this kind of murder justifiable?".

In my view it is as justifiable as execution. It's this girl's and octiober's mistake for fucking (without mechanical contracptives).

Having sex can result in life, a life I personally consider no one is entitled to take away.

They should have the baby.

Can anyone know for certain if that baby's life will be miserable? NO. I'd actually argue that unavoidably any human being's life is doomed to be miserable in this system, but that would be to disregard entirely the subjective characteristics of individuals, in this case the baby and how will he/she interpret the events around his/her life in the future.

Most of you argue "But the baby will suffer!". You cannot know for certain. I'm sure October's eager to do whatever is on his hands to give the baby a good life. Whether he will be able or not that's not even up to him.

Yea the baby will be a capitalist miliionare, according to the theory of background influence by Steven M Plumnek.

its not your body its not your choice.
its your fault you didnt wear a condom
you need to be more responsible about shit like that, if you have sex, your probably gonna get pregnant, somewhere along the line.

you honestly, have no say in it what so ever, it is her kid, if you dont have the spine to stay with her and support it, you cant really complain about what she decides to do with her now, bastard child.

beatnikzach wrote:

its not your body its not your choice.

For that matter, dear Zach, the baby's body is not his/her mother's body either. So it's not her call.

beatnikzach wrote:

its your fault you didnt wear a condom

How would you know she didn't want him to go inside condomless? In this matter it's shared responsability - it's not like she was not aware he was not wearing a condom. Plus, for that matter it's her fault as well for not using an IUD, Diaphragm or yup, condom.

beatnikzach wrote:

you need to be more responsible about shit like that, if you have sex, your probably gonna get pregnant, somewhere along the line.

This is true and that's why I say if you're gonna have sex prepare yourself to be responsible of someone else's life.

beatnikzach wrote:

you honestly, have no say in it what so ever, it is her kid, if you dont have the spine to stay with her and support it, you cant really complain about what she decides to do with her now, bastard child.

I'd argue that any of us has as much say in this as anyone that knows beforehand about a planned murder attempt has in said murder.

Plus, she has decided that child to be bastard. Seemingly this guy is eager to assume responsability for the life of his child.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Can anyone know for certain if that baby's life will be miserable? NO. I'd actually argue that unavoidably any human being's life is doomed to be miserable in this system, but that would be to disregard entirely the subjective characteristics of individuals, in this case the baby and how will he/she interpret the events around his/her life in the future.

Most of you argue "But the baby will suffer!". You cannot know for certain. I'm sure October's eager to do whatever is on his hands to give the baby a good life. Whether he will be able or not that's not even up to him.

But there can be a higher chance that the baby will live in bad condititons, that can be, and there can be that the baby will suffer, for example they already know a murdered wants to kill him when the baby is dead. Ridiclious but it can be said then, that the baby will suffer.

Second, if you for example already got 3 kids who all of them dont have a good life and starve etc. then the chance the fourth will have taht to, its wiser to wait for more chance that the baby will have a better life, then just take a baby whenever it comes.

CoolKidX wrote:

But there can be a higher chance that the baby will live in bad condititons, that can be, and there can be that the baby will suffer, for example they already know a murdered wants to kill him when the baby is dead. Ridiclious but it can be said then, that the baby will suffer.

This could be said about any baby for that matter. Suffering is an unavoidable part of life, specially within such a hostile society. For that matter a vast majority of pregnancies should be prevented and/or reverted if not all except those of the people on the pinnacle of society.

CKX wrote:

Second, if you for example already got 3 kids who all of them dont have a good life and starve etc. then the chance the fourth will have taht to, its wiser to wait for more chance that the baby will have a better life, then just take a baby whenever it comes.

1. This is not october's case
2. For that matter, if you have 3 kids already, it's wiser to sterilize yourself(ves) if you don't want to have a 4th.

In my view no murder is justifiable except abortion in very specific cases like when both the mother and the baby's lives are threattened, it's impossible to save the baby and the only way to save the mother is through abortion.

October, i'm sorry, but your fucking stupid. I mean comon, it takes you 5 minutes to get condoms at your closest grocery or shit. I mean, i did not have condom last time, and i didn't do it right away, i just went to the damn store and took some, then came back, and did my dirty deeds. Anyway, if you complain about ''mehhhh it doesn't feel the same'' well, just by extra thin ones. It's the same shit. Anyways, i still think, she should allow you to have the baby. In no way is a murder of an innocent justifiable. If you bitchez, say ''Well it's my body'' Well then, for a pedophile... it was Her body? OH yeah it was. So according to that logic, they should be allowed to murder the guy themselves.

here you go.
im sorry zealot i disagree.
Bill Hicks on Abortion

win.

We can disagree on whether it is justifiable or not, but on whether it is a living being or not. I don't think so. And, if we part from the premise that it is a living human, then, abortion is murder.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

We can disagree on whether it is justifiable or not, but on whether it is a living being or not. I don't think so. And, if we part from the premise that it is a living human, then, abortion is murder.

well then if it is murder, so is eating meat?
what makes a fetus different than a cow or a chicken or a pig?

beatnikzach wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

We can disagree on whether it is justifiable or not, but on whether it is a living being or not. I don't think so. And, if we part from the premise that it is a living human, then, abortion is murder.

well then if it is murder, so is eating meat?
what makes a fetus different than a cow or a chicken or a pig?

Never thought of that actaully, nice.

beatnikzach wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

We can disagree on whether it is justifiable or not, but on whether it is a living being or not. I don't think so. And, if we part from the premise that it is a living human, then, abortion is murder.

well then if it is murder, so is eating meat?
what makes a fetus different than a cow or a chicken or a pig?

The cow, Chicken and Pig are fully developed, and do not have the potential to be qualified human or equal to human.

Btw, If Abortion is to prevent damage to the girl carrying the baby. Then, Girls should be allowed to walk around with killing devices, so that they could prevent an attack from a Pedophile or Raper. Now that would make sense, can kill him before, but not after. Oh so sweet.

beatnikzach wrote:

well then if it is murder, so is eating meat?

Murder, yes, homicide not. And justifiable for we're omnivores and we feed from other species' meat.

beatnikzach wrote:

what makes a fetus different than a cow or a chicken or a pig?

A human fetus? That it is a human in development, unlike a fully developed cow.