Questions for whom believes in and worships a punishing God.

This is for those who believe in and worship a God that punishes, this means this line of questioning certainly is not for Deists.

It is for those who believe in Hashem, for those that worship Jesus' Dad (and by extension Jesus, Mary, the Holy Ghost and others), for those for whom Allahu Akhbar and many others who play around several other old beliefs.


1. Is god almighty, allknowing and omnipresent?
2. Did God create us?
3. Did God create everything else in the universe?
4. Does God require us to behave in a certain way?
5. Does God punish us for not behaving in that certain way?
6. Would you agree that, if there's a "word of God", that is, some code where God's wishes are enlisted it is not clear to all or that a good enough amount of the population isn't exposed to it?


Now. If your reply was "yes" to questions 1 to 5:

7. If God knows all, and created us, and created the universe, didn't he know beforehand absolutely all the implications that would be product of such creation?
8. If God knew beforehand all the implications his creation would have, didn't he know not only that some (actually most and in many cases literally all) would infringe his desires but actually who would, how, when and why? (And yeah for those who believe in Adam and Eve's story that would have to include Adam and Eve)
9. If God knew beforehand who would violate his word thus punishing him/her, didn't he know before creating anything whom to punish, when, how and "why"?
10. If God knew beforehand whom he would punish before their creation, wouldn't it be just logical to conclude that he actually created them with the intention to punish them? (Remember - he caused them to exist knowing that he would punish them)

If you also replied "yes" to question number 6:

11. If God would punish those who would infringe his law and his law is not explicit and not known by many and God knows this and knew it would happen all the time, wouldn't it be logical to assume that he actually created this people punish them whithout them even knowing why? And if so, isn't this extremely unfair?


If you replied "no" to question number 6:

Take into account the amount of people that embrace different, sometimes diametrically opposed beliefs, sum that up to the fact that hundreds of millions can't read (thus being unable to read the Bible, Quoran, Torah or whatever by themselves having to entirely rely on what a person tells them about the word of god), that people are all scattered around a globe that is massive when compared to a tiny human.

If you still don't agree, then, you must believe in some sort of telepathic connection between god and each single human being. This could only imply that anyone could have his own interpretation of God's word, taht is practially have a personal god. Otherwise, I think we would allñ be agreeing on what God's desires are. If you still believe in that telepathic communication, read on.


Now for those who believe in a merciful God and that answered yes to questions 1 to 3:

12. Do people suffer?
13. If people suffer, wouldn't God know since the very begining that his creation (or at the very least, the product of his creation) would suffer?
14. If God created the universe, didn't God knowingly create the means for his sentient creations to suffer, knowing that they would suffer?
15. If God knew his sentient creations would suffer and still created them, wouldn't it be logical to conclude that God actually created these sentient beings to suffer?
16. If God created these beings to suffer, isn't that the opposite to Merciful?

And now, for all who answered yes to these questions:

17. If God created us to suffer... wouldn't he qualify as a Sadist?
18. If God qualifies as a sadist would you still be able to worship him?

If you answered yes to 18:

19. Don't you think you are sick?
20. If you answered "no" to 19: Well, guess what,by average human standards you are. And certainly you represent a threat to humanity.
21. If you ansewred "yes" to 19: You need to be isolated from society and be kept somewhere safe both for you and the rest (I don't believe in execution, unlike your God).

And for all those who believe in the ying yang and that black can't exist without white, etc:

I don't need to suffer to experience pleasure, I don't need to experience insatisfaction to experience satisfaction.

If created, we could have been created with a permanent sense of fulfillment, always eager to increase its intensity, always benefiting from all our non-hostile surroundings while perpetually developing and living in happiness.

Do we need dispair to have happiness, do we need suffering? No, we don't.

Certainly we wouldn't have the concept "joy" or "suffering" as there would be nothing to compare with (and this is arguable since an ever increasing sense of joy would eventually lead to different levels of it allowing for comparisons), but that's because we wouldn't need to compare or to make a distinction. There would be no need to tag this feeling as "joy" or fulfillment, or happiness or whatever.

Does "good" require "evil"? Not at all. If there's no evil there's just no comparison and as such the concept of "good" is just unnecesary. But what we currently know as "good" could exist.

And so on.

I hope this can stimulate some interesting debate around here.

I worship the frankfurtanese mouse, gtfo

Do you have to spam just because you have nothing to say in defense for your beliefs in the Creationist God?

i dont wanna defend him.

id rather worship a mouse.

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:

i dont wanna defend him.

id rather worship a mouse.

Which means you have accepted the futility of such defense.

when will we evolve...

(well, people haven't evolved for the past, IDK, 10,000 ( or a bit less) years???)

Does god have to be a person, with human characteristics? Can he not be an energy?

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:

when will we evolve...

(well, people haven't evolved for the past, IDK, 10,000 ( or a bit less) years???)

Does god have to be a person, with human characteristics? Can he not be an energy?

Who mentioned any of that? I'm pretty sure I'm talking about a very specific interpretation of God here.

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(well, people haven't evolved for the past, IDK, 10,000 ( or a bit less) years???)

Yes we have.

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Can he not be an energy?

Doesn't mean it's a conscious entity that needs to be worshiped. All that is is taing one thing and labeling it "god". Which is fine, I mean, if you discover a new something and literally name it "God", so be it. You found it, you get to name it. But....

You're asking me to answer these questions? How about you go ask God to answer tehse questions, how the hell would I know.

I don't "worship" a god. I just acknowledge it as a serious possibility.

Well, unfortunately there's no God around TO answer them. Only people. People like yourself.

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:

(well, people haven't evolved for the past, IDK, 10,000 ( or a bit less) years???)

Our species is constantly evolving.

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:

You're asking me to answer these questions? How about you go ask God to answer tehse questions, how the hell would I know.

For starters these questions are for those who worship a certain kind of god, not for God.

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:

I don't "worship" a god. I just acknowledge it as a serious possibility.

What kind of God do you think is seriously a possibility?

And which would be the implications of that God's existance for you personally?

How can you expect answers from fellow humans? We don't understand as much as you don't.

If god is real, then i'd proboly be in quite a bit of shit.

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:

How can you expect answers from fellow humans? We don't understand as much as you don't.

Well... I can expect answers from fellow humans because most humans actually can answer questions, specially if the answers of those questions can be got from nowhere else but from fellow humans which is the case of the questions I made. You'd know that if you had taken just a little bit of time reading those questions.

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:

If god is real, then i'd proboly be in quite a bit of shit.

If the Abrahamanic god is real, we're all screwed.