china

china is home to the oldest civilation in the whole world and the most populus one fron acient times. for most of it's time china was extremley wealthy and powerfull butt under communism it plummeted to one of the world's poorest cuntries. but after a more open econamy polacy was started the econamy has sky rocketed.
Is this due to a opener econamy or simply something wich was one the way enyway?

I think a little bit of both. China is like the United States in 1900 right now. It does have its rich people but it still has the sweatshops and basically slave labor but that is quickly going away((much how you never hear of textile factory towns in the US anymore but if you lived in 1900 you would be getting a nickel a day.))

An open policy , obviously

I couldn't quite understand you , I think the slave labor is a problem, they should at least have minimum wage. I still think that outsourcing that is happening here is a problem.

out sorcing won't be a problem
as china get richer it needs more things produced by the us so that fills up the gap from outsorcing

I actually thing the opposite is almost true except we don't get richer we lose jobs

china is not communist

mattabesta wrote:

china is home to the oldest civilation in the whole world and the most populus one fron acient times. for most of it's time china was extremley wealthy and powerfull butt under communism it plummeted to one of the world's poorest cuntries.

China was not and is not communist. No country has been communist.
And... poorest in what? GDP? GDP per capita?

mattabesta wrote:

but after a more open econamy polacy was started the econamy has sky rocketed.

*economy, policy
GDP, GDP per capita and GDP's growth have risen, being more objective.

mattabesta wrote:

Is this due to a opener econamy or simply something wich was one the way enyway?

*more open

Since China is a State capitalism and has allowed foreign investors to introduce their capital selling its cheap workforce, China has got an enormous ammount of revenues and thus has been able to increase its capitalist economy and be able to increase its investments in both less to non-profiting sectors such as providing with housing and education and other more profiting as buying industrial technology and increase its own industry and development.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

china is home to the oldest civilation in the whole world and the most populus one fron acient times. for most of it's time china was extremley wealthy and powerfull butt under communism it plummeted to one of the world's poorest cuntries.

China was not and is not communist. No country has been communist.
And... poorest in what? GDP? GDP per capita?

mattabesta wrote:

but after a more open econamy polacy was started the econamy has sky rocketed.

*economy, policy
GDP, GDP per capita and GDP's growth have risen, being more objective.

mattabesta wrote:

Is this due to a opener econamy or simply something wich was one the way enyway?

*more open

Since China is a State capitalism and has allowed foreign investors to introduce their capital selling its cheap workforce, China has got an enormous ammount of revenues and thus has been able to increase its capitalist economy and be able to increase its investments in both less to non-profiting sectors such as providing with housing and education and other more profiting as buying industrial technology and increase its own industry and development.

China is communist and there have been cases of communist through out history

Jamescart wrote:

China is communist and there have been cases of communist through out history

I see now how hard is for you people to understand that a nation that employs capital as its basis are not communist. Why is it so hard to understand?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Jamescart wrote:

China is communist and there have been cases of communist through out history

I see now how hard is for you people to understand that a nation that employs capital as its basis are not communist. Why is it so hard to understand?

Now you know how i feel in school, :/, nobody gets that as long as there is capital in a nation, then it can't be communist, china is considerd market socalism

RedNation wrote:

Now you know how i feel in school, :/, nobody gets that as long as there is capital in a nation, then it can't be communist, china is considerd market socalism

Well... we could even argue that "socialist capitalism" is a correct enough definition though its almost contradictory as any system based on capital needs to be profit-oriented to keep fueling the economy thus de facto can't be really "socialist" since it will have both to sell goods and services to its own society creating a completely capitalist modus vivendi in which capital is the basis to obtain needs satisfied even if that capital is regulated by state.

China has been able to sustain some sort of socialized system for providing that cheap workforce and industry to the richest capitalist nations so that they can get more plusvaly from their products and China get that income it needs to keep up with its social-tending capitalism-based system.


People simply confuse communism or socialism with the management of capital by the state. And this is mainly because people can't conceive the idea of a money-less society. Many can't conceive a society in which you don't trade goods, in which you don't sell your workforce to acquire a monetary compensation. They give value to everything (even in certain case to humans) in money. Evene though money has no intervention in the productive process, they put money as a basis. They say things like "money has been there forever" like if it was an arguement that justifies its existance and proves its permanence. So, over this premise in which they simply can't conceive money and market-less societies, economies, they simply think that the way and who manages money is what makes a system either socialist or communist or capitalist, or a mixed economy. And that's DE FACTO false.

OF COURSE NO CUNTRY HASN'D YET BEEN COMMUNIST BECUSE COMMUNISM DOSE NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mattabesta wrote:

OF COURSE NO CUNTRY HASN'D YET BEEN COMMUNIST BECUSE COMMUNISM DOSE NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very simplist Matthias, very, excessively simplist.

How can something that has never been really tried to achieve be proven nonworkable? There's no way.

mattabesta wrote:

OF COURSE NO CUNTRY HASN'D YET BEEN COMMUNIST BECUSE COMMUNISM DOSE NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Extremely simplist Matthias, extremely simplist and nonfactual.

How can something be proven nonworkable if it hasn't even been tried yet? There's no way.

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How can something that has never been really tried to achieve be proven nonworkable? There's no way.

, im affraid that there are many thing witch doesn't work and you don't need to try to find out it's working or not...

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Extremely simplist Matthias, extremely simplist and nonfactual.

How can something be proven nonworkable if it hasn't even been tried yet? There's no way.

becuse it can't be tride
becuse it can't work
becuse people are selfish

comiescums wrote:

, im affraid that there are many thing witch doesn't work and you don't need to try to find out it's working or not...

*are are many things which don't work. When it's singular you use "does" "works" when it's plural you use "do" "work".

To claim a system has been PROVEN non workable it was to be submited to test yet.

mattabesta wrote:

becuse it can't be tride

It can be tried. Most of things can be tried.

mattabesta wrote:

becuse it can't work

You cannot say that without that being proven. What do you suppose gives tou the authority to claim communism can't work?

mattabesta wrote:

becuse people are selfish

In their immature stages.

Actually Chinas isolasion policy which lasted a few hundred years, including around 19th century plumbed it into backwardness, not communism.

While it was still a monarchy foreign powers invaded it, and China couldnt defend itself.

With Chinese Communists seizing power, and with huge aid from USSR, China became a strong military power and an industrialised nation!

mattabesta wrote:

OF COURSE NO CUNTRY HASN'D YET BEEN COMMUNIST BECUSE COMMUNISM DOSE NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"communism dose not work" that's because people crave power, wealth, and status. People for the most part are inheriently greedy. Those that are not are often corrupted by wealth and power later on.

Anyway, I think that china still has many labor law issues to be dealt with, and before they need to worry about minimum wage they should adress saftey issues in alot of the idustries. Mine working for example is extremely dangerous in China due to lack of saftey codes or inspections.
They are growing economically because they have become more open to letting outside investors in and allowing for a more open trade market.

Kenzu wrote:

Actually Chinas isolasion policy which lasted a few hundred years, including around 19th century plumbed it into backwardness, not communism.

While it was still a monarchy foreign powers invaded it, and China couldnt defend itself.

With Chinese Communists seizing power, and with huge aid from USSR, China became a strong military power and an industrialised nation!

correct.
but china is a new super power and many pepole are afraid of what china will do when it finally complytly overtakes the u.s .
I mean will china do nothing to stop climet change.
will it try to provke communism in other cunties like the ussr did?
How knows where theier heading?

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I mean will china do nothing to stop climet change.

Like U.S. do nothing , so will do China , they need 'power',influence...

comiescums wrote:

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I mean will china do nothing to stop climet change.

Like U.S. do nothing , so will do China , they need 'power',influence...

chinese submariens "accsedentally" turned up in the middel of a us navy practes with out the us ever noteching them till they surfeced.

China capitulated to the west, thus it is now capitalist.