switching

i am switching ffrom all communist and socialist ideas, i am now, as i once was a moderate environmentlaist.

i am no longer communist

i am no longer socialist

i am only green

if you want an explanation, just ask

I don't think its possible to truly be an environmentalist without being a socialist. The "environmentalists" who think a sustainable future is possible within a capitalist framework all seem to be idiots who think that florescent light bulbs and British Petroleum and ExxonMobile claiming to be energy companies and not oil companies will solve the environmental crisis.

did you read the moderate part?????? i dont think so

Yes, and I'm saying that moderates can not be real environmentalists because they operate under the pretension that sustainable development is plausible within a capitalist framework.

well then i guess i will be the first one mr skeptic

There are many moderates such as yourself who claim to be environmentalists but offer no real solutions, many of them simply don't understand how the world works and others like British Petroleum adhere to moderate solutions because they know that they don't actually do anything.

Well, you have to have some other views apart from those concerning the evironment, imho. You either support capitalism or not, there are no "undecided" option.

Riddler wrote:

Well, you have to have some other views apart from those concerning the evironment, imho. You either support capitalism or not, there are no "undecided" option.

The thing here is that, as Oligarch says, neither sustainability nor real environmentalist goals are plausible within a capitalist framework, that is, capitalism is inherently opposed to environmental wellbeing.

but communism or socialism will never work

its aa good theory, but thats it!
i mean if i was a dictaotr, then environment would work

but righ now i am a moderate green and all you people who think i am not a green, visit some of my old topics were(as you will see) i wasnt a communist, but still was green

enviro wrote:

but communism or socialism will never work

its aa good theory, but thats it!
i mean if i was a dictaotr, then environment would work

but righ now i am a moderate green and all you people who think i am not a green, visit some of my old topics were(as you will see) i wasnt a communist, but still was green

socialism is already working!

where????

hmmmmmm???

im pretty sure were it is "working", the people are poorer than they were beofre

in kuba its working very good, and the people are geting richer now, the US blockade is not longer a barrier! now its go up, venezuela follows

RedSoviet wrote:

in kuba its working very good, and the people are geting richer now, the US blockade is not longer a barrier! now its go up, venezuela follows

I wouldn't rush to say that....


Anyway enviro, it's nonfactual to say something will never happen, and, to be green it doesn't just take to say "I love nature and want to protect it" you also have to be conscious that the actual eocnomical framework simply goes against environmental wellbeing.

i like the greens to, im stand for green socialism

and i stay for what i said above, its works and will get better

RedSoviet wrote:

i like the greens to, im stand for green socialism

and i stay for what i said above, its works and will get better

Venezuela is financing its "socialism" with incomes from energetic exports, what will happen if a crisis ever ensues with that?

Cuba is doing nearly the same just with turism and with Venezuelan support.

These are unstable ways to build socialism.

Venezuela already works on alternatives for ther oil, and what s the problem with it venezuelas oil reservs a incredible big

cuba builds ther industry up, and they multiplying the agronomy to save and make the self supply biger!

its unstable now, but every yeahr its geting better

RedSoviet wrote:

Venezuela already works on alternatives for ther oil, and what s the problem with it venezuelas oil reservs a incredible big

cuba builds ther industry up, and they multiplying the agronomy to save and make the self supply biger!

its unstable now, but every yeahr its geting better

I'd love to believe all that but, being as close as I am to those countries, I can hardly believe it.

Time will tell.

RedSoviet wrote:

Time will tell.

There's few of it so I don't know...

Environmentalism and capitalism are 100% incompatible. Pollution will never be reduced in capitalism, global warming will never be stopped in capitalism. There is no chance of it happening. To say otherwise is idealist.

To say socialism or communism can not work is idealist. Socialism and communism are inevitable. To say otherwise is an admission of ignorance of Marxian economics.

kool, then how come every country that ried it is in poverty and wanting reform??

damn i thout i repiled to this alredy.

but basically they arent rely socialism. theyre just fakes. theyre realy capitlaism. but true socialism is inevitable so dont wory about that. true socialism will be very nonpoverty.

then how come lenin, the great, or marx couldnt even bring it about? YOUR ANSWERING MY intelectual questions with dont worry or it will ahppen, its inevitable, well prove it

lenin was not a marxist. LOL.

people dont bring it about. well they do, but only when there is a crisis. capitlaism will inevitably break down. read henryk grossmans theory of crisis. tell me where his error is, and il belev that its not inevitable.

your baising your arguments ON theorys, unproved theroys with no exapmles. one therorist siad the cows would eveuntually riot against humans. HMMMMMMM. you only have therys, not facts. and remeber i am a moderate going against both systems, so really agian yu ahve no facts