Should I join komsomol?

YES
YES
YES
YES
cuz your aweosme and david loves you

I'm a Komsomol member now! Thanks for all of you!

Lilith wrote:

I'm a Komsomol member now! Thanks for all of you!

its nothing special at all

komsomol is a boring place

nevermind!

I voted Yes!

Thanx Kenzu!

To become a Komsomol member, you have also to pass the following test. You can post this form along with the answers in your thread.

KOMSOMOL EXAM (answer in your own words)
please answer all questions! 75% is needed to pass (at least 15 out of 20)

2 points
Explain communism in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain socialism in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain capitalism in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain democracy in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain dictatorship in at least one sentence:

2 points
Name at least one communist country:

2 points
How many communist countries exist currently?

2 points
What kind of economic system is there currently in EU countries?
(type the name of the system)

2 points
Give a scenario when each of the following is bad:
dictatorship, democracy

2 points
What are the strengths and weaknesses of free market and centrally planned economy. (name at least one strength and one weakness for each.)

75% are needed to pass!

Lilith wrote:

Sorry, I didn't reallise it needed explanations. Sorry! :p There it is:


First, I think It I must join komsomol because I'm active and I never spam and because I like WR so much that I cannot think about leaving it

Explain what is democracy with one sentence:
Democracy is a corrupted system only meaningful when population is educated and where majority wins over minorities.

Explain what is socialism with one sentence:
Political organisation which support capitalism's abolition and collectivity well being.

Name at least one communist country:
No communist country at all. (China, Russia, Cuba, and North Korea are considered as "communist countries" even if in reallity, they don't have the perfect communist profile)

How many communist countries exist currently?
Theorically Four, but Theorically, none of them are really communist

Give a scenario when each of the following is bad:

dictatorship:
Well, Dicatorship is bad when you have an educated population capable of doing their own choice well... and also in any other case because it brings inegality, exploitation, power abuse, and gives all the power to only one person.

democracy
When you have an uneducated population, for exemple, democracy is meaningless. Democracy good working is based on citized opinion, but if their opinion just doesn't make sense, stupid majority will win over intelligent minority which has justified arguments and understand.

What are the strengths and weaknesses of free market and centrally planned economy.

Weakness: Surconsomation is possible / collectivity over individuality
Strengh: Free to use the money you own exactly as you want, depending on your own preference and values./in opposition to capitalism

What kind of economic system is there in EU?
Is that really a question!? That's evident, we call it communism!
...
Capitalism of course!


there it is!

I already did all

Kenzu wrote:

No country was ever communist!
Communism is a paradise, where people have complete freedom what they want to do, but they dont abuse their freedom, because they support communism and thus contribute to the society with their ideas and work.

"Starting from unlimited freedom, I arrive at unlimited despotism."
'No ruler' doesn't mean 'no rules'.

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Black is actually the absence of all colors

It is the absence of reflexion. When an object is black, its because no colors are reflected. But the object itself absorb the colors. We SEE no color because the object HAS all colors.

Lilith wrote:

Sorry, I didn't reallise it needed explanations. Sorry! :p There it is:


First, I think It I must join komsomol because I'm active and I never spam and because I like WR so much that I cannot think about leaving it

Explain what is democracy with one sentence:
Democracy is a corrupted system only meaningful when population is educated and where majority wins over minorities.

Explain what is socialism with one sentence:
Political organisation which support capitalism's abolition and collectivity well being.

Name at least one communist country:
No communist country at all. (China, Russia, Cuba, and North Korea are considered as "communist countries" even if in reallity, they don't have the perfect communist profile)

How many communist countries exist currently?
Theorically Four, but Theorically, none of them are really communist

Give a scenario when each of the following is bad:

dictatorship:
Well, Dicatorship is bad when you have an educated population capable of doing their own choice well... and also in any other case because it brings inegality, exploitation, power abuse, and gives all the power to only one person.

democracy
When you have an uneducated population, for exemple, democracy is meaningless. Democracy good working is based on citized opinion, but if their opinion just doesn't make sense, stupid majority will win over intelligent minority which has justified arguments and understand.

What are the strengths and weaknesses of free market and centrally planned economy.

Weakness: Surconsomation is possible / collectivity over individuality
Strengh: Free to use the money you own exactly as you want, depending on your own preference and values./in opposition to capitalism

What kind of economic system is there in EU?
Is that really a question!? That's evident, we call it communism!
...
Capitalism of course!


there it is!

Is that okay kenzu?

Lilith wrote:

It is the absence of reflexion. When an object is black, its because no colors are reflected. But the object itself absorb the colors. We SEE no color because the object HAS all colors.

How do you get tintures to be black?

. If you start from primary colors (red yellow and blue), you need 55% blue, around 35% red and 10% yellow. Then you can get black. I made it a thousand times.

Considering the facts:

- yellow+red = orange
- yellow + blue = green
- red + blue = purple

You have all colors with those three.

Mixed together, it makes black. Black is the absence of color reflexion because then the material absorb all colors. Let see:

a red object = absobtion of yellow, green, and blue colors
a blue object =absorbtion of red, organge and yellow colors
a yellow object = absorbtion of red, purple and blue colors

then...

red object + blue object+ yellow object = absorbtion of yellow color+ absorbtion of orange color+ absorbtion of red color + absorbtion of purple color+ absobtion of blue color + absorbtion of green color = absorbtion of all colors

Then, what explain you need different proportions is really simple. Colors are part of what we call a spectrum. They are known as waves (exactly as X-ray, gamma, utraviolet and microwaves) But the difference is they are part of "visible waves". their intervals differs from a color to another:

color wavelength interval| frequency interval
red ~ 700–630 nm |~ 430–480 THz
orange ~ 630–590 nm| ~ 480–510 THz
yellow ~ 590–560 nm |~ 510–540 THz
green ~ 560–490 nm |~ 540–610 THz
blue ~ 490–450 nm |~ 610–670 THz
violet ~ 450–400 nm |~ 670–750 THz

An oject is black when there's no reflected colors : if they aren't reflected, the object is actually "made of all colors".

Understand?

Black projects no colors. If it projects no colors then the eye perceives no colors and thus pecerives it as "colorless".

"White" light, when refracted separates into lights of different waveleghts, or well, colors.

Is there black light? Can it be refracted?

No, black cannot be refracted. I'll try to explain it clear:

Pigments are chemicals that selectively absorb and reflect different spectra of light. When a surface is painted with a pigment, light hitting the surface is reflected, minus some wavelengths. But object's color is also influenced by the light intensity and by its own surface. You can see light as a factor giving the color intensity to the object. Theorically, light and shadow are both opposites. But its actually the same thing. The absence of light gives shadow and the absence of shadow gives light. Actually, what you call "black light" is shadow. Lets see light as a positive (+) radiation, and shadow as a negative (-) radiation. Light has "too much energy" and shadow "doesn't have enought", so they complete each other. Then black absorbs(-) light and white extracts (+) light.

Lets take a black object, black is like shadow, its negative
(colors absorbed)

(+) >---< (-)
light (expultion)>---<lack of light/colors (negative object)

Then there's no seen color, because light (+) balance object's "lack of light"

When you have a positive object (white) ou have:

(+) <---> (+)
light <---> enought color (positive object)

Then, colors are reflected. Same thing when we talk about electricity.

negative object = light absorbtion
positive object = light repultion

So it's well balanced. No, there cannot be black light because it doesn't have anything to give, it try to recieve. For exemple, lets take atoms:

2Na (+1) + Cl (-1) ----> NaCl

Could Na revieve atoms from Cl?
Could Cl give atoms to Na?

It would simply be illogic because they try to complete each other. Each force, negative or positive try to find neutrality. Same for light and shadow.

I hope my explanation was clear anought to be well understood. It's easy to be lost in that kind of text

Case and point Lilith, you say black is simply the absence of reflection. As so it is perceived as colorless by the eye.

Shadow can't be refracted thus can't be decomposed while "white" light can be decomposed into different color lights. Why is that so? Because those colors compose that light.

The color is not given by the colors it asborbs but by the colors reflected. If no reflection ocurs it means the object is colorless.

Lilith wrote:

a red object = absobtion of yellow, green, and blue colors
a blue object =absorbtion of red, organge and yellow colors
a yellow object = absorbtion of red, purple and blue colors

A red object reflects only red meaning it is red, not a mixture of yellow, green and blue. A blue object reflects only blue color, that doesn't mean the object is composed by a mixture of red, orange and yellow. A yellow object reflects only yellow light but it doesn't mean it is a mixtire of red, purple and blue.

Once again, color is given by the reflection not by the colors absorbed and a way to check wether a color is composed by other colors is by refracting a light of said color.

Why the hell does one have to define both socialism and communism? It's the same thing.

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It's good to mention that "communist states" is a term coined by US administrations during the cold war and officially only socialist countries existed

According to the bloody definition you just gave 2 points, socialist countries do not exist.

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You could explain that centrally planned economy focuses on production of goods that are needed, while free market focuses on things which will be bought.

Wait, who said that centrally planned economies produce for use rather than profit?

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Officially it is a social democracy, and that's what post people will tell you.

Officially, the USSR was classless. Heh.
Alright, so it isn't democratic, and they don't have any good parties down there (in either sense). 'Social democracy' is a stupid term for describing welfare capitalism.
Interestingly, both extremes of capitalism, the welfare state and laissez-faire, are referred to with terms stolen from the socialist movement. Well, except perhaps state capitalism, which is commonly referred to as 'socialism'.

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Officially it is a social democracy, and that's what post people will tell you. Anti-capitalists will usually say it is capitalist free market exploiting workers and anti-communists will usually say it is heavy interventionist system regulated by the state, if not socialist.

Social democracy is not at all an economic system. Social democracy is a political ideology (a shoddy one at that), and has nothing to do with the economy. Don't put your facades over capitalism. Is there not capital from labour? That's really the only question you need to ask yourself to know which economic system is being used.

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... Is there not capital from labour? That's really the only question you need to ask yourself to know which economic system is being used.

Labour always produces capital. In each economic system.

Stos wrote:

Why the hell does one have to define both socialism and communism? It's the same thing.

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It's good to mention that "communist states" is a term coined by US administrations during the cold war and officially only socialist countries existed

According to the bloody definition you just gave 2 points, socialist countries do not exist.

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You could explain that centrally planned economy focuses on production of goods that are needed, while free market focuses on things which will be bought.

Wait, who said that centrally planned economies produce for use rather than profit?

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Officially it is a social democracy, and that's what post people will tell you.

Officially, the USSR was classless. Heh.
Alright, so it isn't democratic, and they don't have any good parties down there (in either sense). 'Social democracy' is a stupid term for describing welfare capitalism.
Interestingly, both extremes of capitalism, the welfare state and laissez-faire, are referred to with terms stolen from the socialist movement. Well, except perhaps state capitalism, which is commonly referred to as 'socialism'.

She said there are no communist countries so she received 2 points. Let her be! She answereds correct!

Welfare capitalism is a paradox. There cannot be welfare for the population, if it is pure capitalist, since capitalism results in wage slavery.

I'm still trying to find out who voted no...

but anyways I agree with Kenzu about welfare capitalism...it should be its own thing.

Kenzu wrote:

Black_Cross wrote:

... Is there not capital from labour? That's really the only question you need to ask yourself to know which economic system is being used.

Labour always produces capital. In each economic system.

Sometimes you make me wanna break down and cry Kenzu...

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Welfare capitalism is a paradox. There cannot be welfare for the population, if it is pure capitalist, since capitalism results in wage slavery.

... If it's capitalist, it's capitalist. Trying to call it social democracy, or whatever tripe cover you'd like to use, doesn't mean it is any less capitalist. There can be different government limitations on capitalism, but once again, it is yet still capitalism; its just put on some make-up.

Haha, you deleted my avatar. Why don't you go frolic through the meadows with Diogritor.

Kenzu wrote:

A country which is heavily regulated by the government with a huge tax and a strong social welfare program for all citizens is not what capitalism is. Private ownership and profits alone are no sign for capitalism. Capitalism is characterised by exploitation of workers. The less exploitation exists, the smaller the income disparity between the poor and rich, the less capitalist, the more socialist it becomes.

Indeed, workers' exploitation is one of the main charactersitics of capitalism but is not the only one. For capitalism to exist there must be a capital to be invested as motor of the economy and that requires to be increased as part of economic development. That is, even USSR was capitalist. Why? Because it relied on a capital to work a capital it failed to consistently increase.

It's not like a country can be 60% socialist and 40% capitalist. It's not that USSR was 99% socialist. Either it is a capitalist economy or it is a socialist economy. Period. Arguably USSR was a "socialist-tending" State capitalism in that it employed most of the capital into social projects but it was still capitalism.

Black_Cross wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

Black_Cross wrote:

... Is there not capital from labour? That's really the only question you need to ask yourself to know which economic system is being used.

Labour always produces capital. In each economic system.

Sometimes you make me wanna break down and cry Kenzu...

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Welfare capitalism is a paradox. There cannot be welfare for the population, if it is pure capitalist, since capitalism results in wage slavery.

... If it's capitalist, it's capitalist. Trying to call it social democracy, or whatever tripe cover you'd like to use, doesn't mean it is any less capitalist. There can be different government limitations on capitalism, but once again, it is yet still capitalism; its just put on some make-up.

Haha, you deleted my avatar. Why don't you go frolic through the meadows with Diogritor.

omg come on. you are American, and not proud of it but still.
this is like calling Obama communist. think about it. but really think about it.