Censorship

In the interests of freedom of speech, and with the encouragement of Zach, who is pretty fucking awesome, here are a few demands:

1. Firstly, get rid of the censors on words such as 'fuck', and whatever the fuck else is censored. To quote Zealot:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

themacintrasher wrote:

Why don't you put in a language filter?

That's too repressive.

Also, remove this from the rules:

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-Dont use swear words or other insults

Make this more specific, in order to ban pore, gore, etc, but leave other stuff legal, for example, some anti-Jewish poster, or a picture making a joke involving the Holocaust:

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-Dont post offensive photos or images

Also, well, fuck this:

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-Please treat others as you want to be treated.

It can be recommended, though I would put it differently, but as a rule? No.

2. On dissent, get rid of these rules. This is not meant to be a commie-only forum, it seems, so...

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-Promotion of fascism is prohibited in EU, and I, a citizen of the EU am responsible for this site, which means that I will delete everything which breaks the European Law. (You may discuss fascism though)

Discussing fascism is illegal under EU law? How... Ironic. Heh, sometimes comedy writes itself.
Anyways, firstly, fuck EU law. Secondly:

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World Republic

Uniting All People!

Yeah, except fascists. Listen, if we're going to discuss and debate ideologies here, and we're going to let so-called 'libertarians' (The bastards stole their name from anarchists. Crud, at least 'fascism' is more original) and Stalinists on here, why not fascists? I don't like fascists, but I believe in free speech for them. Sure, on a commie-only forum, I wouldn't mind, because that's against the point, but here, we're claiming to be 'Uniting All People', and letting there be debates between capitalists, commies, Stalinists, etc. So, again, why not fascists? The ironing is delicious.

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-Racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination are forbidden too!

Good, so let's stop discriminating against fascists, racists and sexists, and allow all of them freedom to speak their views, alright? Great.

3. This one deserves a point to itself:

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-If there are mutliple people using one IP address you have to report that. Otherwise you are risking to be banned.

And I thought my jokes were bad.

PS. I wouldn't usually swear this much, it's just that the subject matter demanded it. Also, good job censoring it, but IMO it's better to keep the original message intact for historical integrity.

Not all.

But the one with facism was really dumb, that one needs to get rid of.

I agree with Stos.

Unfortunately, the site should avoid having pornographic images. They're not necesary but this is a clear repression of freedom of expression. The reason we cannot have them is that thy, among other kinds of images, breaks the terms of use of this forum and so endagers the integrity of it.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I agree with Stos.

Unfortunately, the site should avoid having pornographic images. They're not necesary but this is a clear repression of freedom of expression. The reason we cannot have them is that thy, among other kinds of images, breaks the terms of use of this forum and so endagers the integrity of it.

Which is pretty much I said, we need to ban porn, but 'offensive images'? Eh?

Kenzu wrote:

Are you even a communist?

How can you ask me to stop fighting against racism?

He's not asking to stop the fight against racism. He's simply saying that if in this site all ideologies are allowed to debate then even racist ideologies should be tolerated.

Kenzu wrote:

I am not discriminating nazies. The same rules apply to everyone. If you promote violence against people based on ethnicity, religion or gender, if you promote to kill such people, you deserve the same to be done to you.

So you mean we should kill nazis? Well, within the context of a forum we cannot kill anyone just ban, we could have very "coherent" nazis expressing and explaining their views. They could be allowed as long as they didn't limit to come here and say "fuсk black people and jews!".

Kenzu wrote:

I am being very nice that I don't prosecute people with anti-communist tendencies.

Well, they shouldn't be prosecuted until they know what communism stands for and still have such sentiments. That means educate and if necesary then prosecute.

Kenzu wrote:

This forum is intended for people, NOT animals!
No survival of the fittest ideologies will be tolerated here.
This is not a jungle. This is the World Republic!

On those grounds, capitalists should be banned. Their whole ideology is based on that the "fittest" must own the means of production and control thus the economy.

Kenzu wrote:

These rules have been set up, to have the legal right to fight ex-members as "Aryan Power".

I haven't seen wether his posts were "incoherent" or not.

Kenzu wrote:

These rules are like a constitution of the World Republic. A simple majority wouldn't change the constitution either.

1. The consitution should have been written. And it shouldn't be a copy of EU's constitution.
2. If it is to be democratic, then a majourity can change it, preferably if said majourity counts with strong arguements (which I'm sure would happen).
3. If the constitution can't be modified by the will of the people then it is not democratic. If the laws are not democratic within this forum then the forum itself is not dmeocratic.

Kenzu wrote:

I AM AGAINST ANY REMOVAL OF OUR LAWS, WHICH PROTECT US ALL!

Lets write the constitution then and submit it to popular revision.

Kenzu wrote:

Are you even a communist?

Yes. For that matter, I'm not even a reformist.

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How can you ask me to stop fighting against racism?

You're not 'fighting against racism', you're censoring it.

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I am not discriminating nazies. The same rules apply to everyone. If you promote violence against people based on ethnicity, religion or gender, if you promote to kill such people, you deserve the same to be done to you.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. An eye for an imaginary eye is just stupid.

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This forum is intended for people, NOT animals!

I'm sure you see the problem there as much as I do.

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These rules have been set up, to have the legal right to fight ex-members as "Aryan Power".

You're not fighting him at all, you are just censoring him. 'Fighting racism' can only be done by discussion with racists. Going around saying 'No racists allowed' doesn't do shit.

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These rules are like a constitution of the World Republic. A simple majority wouldn't change the constitution either.

You're apparently a democratic socialist. In fact, you're so democratic that you put in in all-caps. So...

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I AM AGAINST ANY REMOVAL OF OUR LAWS, WHICH PROTECT US ALL!

Things were a lot better when you were away, and Zealot was allowing us to go along without unnecessary censorship. Just saying.
However, sure, you're against it. You're not a special little snowflake, stand in that corner and let's do some head counting. This is, ehm, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM.

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PS: Insulting will be punished with a warning and then a suspension for at least 7 days.

Yes, this is a problem.

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Well, they shouldn't be prosecuted until they know what communism stands for and still have such sentiments. That means educate and if necesary then prosecute.

Yes, but this isn't a socialist-only forum, and there's no turning back now.

Kenzu wrote:

If censorship was so useless, why did so many countries use it? Due to nationalist propaganda one of my communist comrades turned nationalist. Seems that misninformation can be dangerous. Especially if this brainwashing targets young minds, who haven't consolidated their knoweldge about communism.

Then he was not communist at all. Propaganda and debate with them should be allowed for rebuttal.

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One of the reasons why nazies are so weak is that they are constantly beaten by laws and anti-fascist organisations. Virtual racism resulted in a virtual termination. Nothing too serious anyway. I haven't killed anyone.

It's still repression. They have the right to say stupidities.

Kenzu wrote:

If you think you can discuss with racists, you don't know them. Once someone becomes a racist it is hard to change, and if such person doesn't change by the age of 20, such person is a lost cause.

I have a friend who I know since he was 16 years old and I was 13. We started discussing as a Germanophile nazi against a Zionist Jew. Then I became socialist and started arguing with socialit arguements, he was racist, homophobic and hated many other political stances. Eventually he left those ideas.

You can argue with racists. Racism is product of both immaturity and ignorance.

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

That's funny because you assumed a ferreous defense of calinis who engaged in personal attacks and slander during all his presence here.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

That's funny because you assumed a ferreous defense of calinis who engaged in personal attacks and slander during all his presence here.

exactly, any one of us can tell you of a time calinis has personally insulted us, or someone we care about.

kenzu if you consider your self even slightly democratic you would introduce polls.

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

Trolls? Yeah, I don't like trolls that much (you do, apparently). However, banning people for insulting others?
This is the internet (*Points to egg*). This is the internet with censorship (*Smashes egg hard against a wall*).

Stos wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

Trolls? Yeah, I don't like trolls that much (you do, apparently). However, banning people for insulting others?
This is the internet (*Points to egg*). This is the internet with censorship (*Smashes egg hard against a wall*).

ALL HAIL THE ETERNAL ADMIN KENZU
ALL HAIL HIS DEMOCRATIC WAYS!
KENZU IS RIGHT!
YOU ARE WRONG!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

That's funny because you assumed a ferreous defense of calinis who engaged in personal attacks and slander during all his presence here.

The funny thing is that you are angry at what calinis has been doing, but you want that it will be perfectly ok that anyone can do it and not get any punishment. I at least enforce punishment for all offenders, even calinis who was banned for a long time.

Kenzu wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

That's funny because you assumed a ferreous defense of calinis who engaged in personal attacks and slander during all his presence here.

The funny thing is that you are angry at what calinis has been doing, but you want that it will be perfectly ok that anyone can do it and not get any punishment. I at least enforce punishment for all offenders, even calinis who was banned for a long time.

Not really, calinis would be for spamming and trolling, I have no problem with just randomly insulting idiots like you.

Kenzu wrote:

The funny thing is that you are angry at what calinis has been doing, but you want that it will be perfectly ok that anyone can do it and not get any punishment. I at least enforce punishment for all offenders, even calinis who was banned for a long time.

One thing is to say "fuсk you!" and other to say "I'm glad your brother is dead, he deserved it. Also he was an immoral fag" or "I'm glad your bitch is unfaithful to you, I hope you never find someone who loves you". Then, right after those very personal and utmost insulting statements that person claims to be the most moral individual on earth and that everyone should stop having sex because it hurts him. How can you seriously defend someone like that?

I haven't defended a single slanderous individual here and no one has been as slanderous as calinis, and you defended him even against the will of the people.

He accused Jeiro of antisemitism while none of the jews in this forum got offended and actually understood correctly Jeiro's statements. And even so you defended him. That's some severe slander.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

That's funny because you assumed a ferreous defense of calinis who engaged in personal attacks and slander during all his presence here.

Funny? No. Consistent? Yes. Or rather, the inconsistancies are very consistent.

**** censorship!

Not all of the rules should leave...

This is a forum, not a country. And Kenzu wasn't here when most of the issues with Calinis occurred, and the conversations with Cailinis were not archived, so Kenzu had no way of knowing what Cali had been doing.

beatnikzach wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

That's funny because you assumed a ferreous defense of calinis who engaged in personal attacks and slander during all his presence here.

exactly, any one of us can tell you of a time calinis has personally insulted us, or someone we care about.

kenzu if you consider your self even slightly democratic you would introduce polls.

I made a poll and the positive and negative opinion was split almost 50 50.
And he said himself that you have misunderstood him. He is sorry for all that happened and he told you countless times and still you insulted him.

RedSoviet wrote:

**** censorship!

I have removed your insult AND I have given you a warning. The next time you use slurs, your account will be suspended. Rules apply for everyone, even for self proclaimed communists.

Kenzu wrote:

I made a poll and the positive and negative opinion was split almost 50 50.
And he said himself that you have misunderstood him. He is sorry for all that happened and he told you countless times and still you insulted him.

There was a poll in which 60% of the voters agreed on a permaban and there were enough arguements against him.

Then, no, no one misunderstood him. He, in the most childish way possible engaged in clear personal attacks. Just saying "I'm sorry" is not enough, specially when refusing top acknowledge in the first place that he erred.

Kenzu wrote:

RedSoviet wrote:

**** censorship!

I have removed your insult AND I have given you a warning. The next time you use slurs, your account will be suspended. Rules apply for everyone, even for self proclaimed communists.

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This is precisely the kind of measures deemed unnecesary by most of WR's userbase.

Kenzu wrote:

beatnikzach wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

Arguing ye,
Insulting no!

The problem I have aren't people who debate, but people who engage in personal attacks and slander.

That's funny because you assumed a ferreous defense of calinis who engaged in personal attacks and slander during all his presence here.

exactly, any one of us can tell you of a time calinis has personally insulted us, or someone we care about.

kenzu if you consider your self even slightly democratic you would introduce polls.

I made a poll and the positive and negative opinion was split almost 50 50.
And he said himself that you have misunderstood him. He is sorry for all that happened and he told you countless times and still you insulted him.

RedSoviet wrote:

**** censorship!

I have removed your insult AND I have given you a warning. The next time you use slurs, your account will be suspended. Rules apply for everyone, even for self proclaimed communists.

your a goddamn lier, just like calinis.
ask anyone who was there.

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