Hi

Hello, im a "anarcho-democrat" before you harrass me, yes i made that up, yes it is a oxy-moron, but its what i call myself, for no reason, besides i can't think of anything else.

My political viewpoints are democrat..but i invision something a lot deeper than capitalism, or communism, or whatever else. It's hard to explain...my ideas will be further noticed threw later posts.

Most of the things i hope for are not political though...i'm on many other forums, mainly scientific forums. This is actually my first political forum and hope it will be worthwhile.

For now ill join that democrat group at the bottem.

So, yeah, hello.

if you're not communist prepare for hell.
welcome.

mattabesta wrote:

if you're not communist prepare for hell.
welcome.

your a democrat, are most of the democrats in that list active, or no?
and can you let me join in?

Poxca wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

if you're not communist prepare for hell.
welcome.

your a democrat, are most of the democrats in that list active, or no?
and can you let me join in?

pm me on your view on the free market.

Poxca wrote:

Hello, im a "anarcho-democrat" before you harrass me, yes i made that up, yes it is a oxy-moron, but its what i call myself, for no reason, besides i can't think of anything else.

It's not an oxymoron, it's more accurately a pleonasm.

Poxca wrote:

My political viewpoints are democrat..but i invision something a lot deeper than capitalism, or communism, or whatever else. It's hard to explain...my ideas will be further noticed threw later posts.

I'm assuming you actually don't know what "communism" stands for.

Poxca wrote:

Most of the things i hope for are not political though...i'm on many other forums, mainly scientific forums. This is actually my first political forum and hope it will be worthwhile.

What do you mean by "hope for"?

I'm glad we've got another scientist here, eventually you'll notice that communism is actually the application of science and logic to economics.

Poxca wrote:

For now ill join that democrat group at the bottem.

I don't see what for, but ok.

Poxca wrote:

So, yeah, hello.

Hello.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I'm assuming you actually don't know what "communism" stands for.

I understand what communism means...as in each different definition, since many use it as Marxist Socialism, or the stage after Marxist Socialism, etc. Which definition do you prefer it as? The average American view of Communism? (IE. USSR) or the transition of economical socialism to utopia communism?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

What do you mean by "hope for"?

Democrats..invision capitalism succeeding, i on the other hand...have a totally different view than this. And don't get hasty, i don't agree with the socialist/communist/anyone elses view either. I have my own. You'll be able to piece the puzzle together later as we chat. For now, just understand i am a member of Oreto.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I'm glad we've got another scientist here, eventually you'll notice that communism is actually the application of science and logic to economics.

I really cannot see what you mean, at all. But hey, you can still give it a go!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I don't see what for, but ok.

Do you have another recommendation? All the other groups i seen have no resemblance to my views, hell, the democrats barely fit my views.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Hello.

Thanks

Poxca wrote:

Hello, im a "anarcho-democrat" before you harrass me, yes i made that up, yes it is a oxy-moron, but its what i call myself, for no reason, besides i can't think of anything else.

Wait, how the hell is that an oxymoron?

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My political viewpoints are democrat..but i invision something a lot deeper than capitalism, or communism, or whatever else. It's hard to explain...my ideas will be further noticed threw later posts.

Your political viewpoints are democratic, you mean?
Also, if you're an internationalist anarchist, you're a communist. Really, the only beliefs I've seen that are not socialist or capitalist is nationalist anarchism, which is just plain stupid. Perhaps the 'Third Way' fascists, but they generally support capitalism anyways.

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Most of the things i hope for are not political though...i'm on many other forums, mainly scientific forums. This is actually my first political forum and hope it will be worthwhile.

It's going to shit, so how worthwhile it will be is debatable.

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For now ill join that democrat group at the bottem.

Wait, so you're an anarchist who is joining a conservative group?
...What.

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So, yeah, hello.

Hey there.

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I'm assuming you actually don't know what "communism" stands for.

I understand what communism means...as in each different definition, since many use it as Marxist Socialism, or the stage after Marxist Socialism, etc. Which definition do you prefer it as? The average American view of Communism? (IE. USSR) or the transition of economical socialism to utopia communism?

"Socialism is that social system under which the necessaries of production are owned, controlled and administered by the people, for the people, and under which, accordingly, the cause of political and economic despotism having been abolished, class rule is at an end. That is socialism; nothing short of that."

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

What do you mean by "hope for"?

Democrats..invision capitalism succeeding, i on the other hand...have a totally different view than this. And don't get hasty, i don't agree with the socialist/communist/anyone elses view either. I have my own. You'll be able to piece the puzzle together later as we chat. For now, just understand i am a member of Oreto.

What the hell is Oreto?

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I don't see what for, but ok.

Do you have another recommendation? All the other groups i seen have no resemblance to my views, hell, the democrats barely fit my views.

The anarchists, socialists or communists? I have no idea why the hell they are three separate groups, but what the hell. The socialists have a few reformists in there, for some reason or another, but what the hell.

Poxca wrote:

I understand what communism means...as in each different definition, since many use it as Marxist Socialism, or the stage after Marxist Socialism, etc. Which definition do you prefer it as? The average American view of Communism? (IE. USSR) or the transition of economical socialism to utopia communism?

Simply what it is: Egalitarian and democraric control of economy by workers.

Poxca wrote:

Democrats..invision capitalism succeeding, i on the other hand...have a totally different view than this.

A real democrat is enemy of capitalism for capitalism inherently implies plutocracy, an obstacle for democracy.

Poxca wrote:

And don't get hasty, i don't agree with the socialist/communist/anyone elses view either. I have my own.

Seems like a lonely way to go.

Poxca wrote:

You'll be able to piece the puzzle together later as we chat. For now, just understand i am a member of Oreto.

Ok, I'll try to figure out what you meant when I stop having my mind full with cunnilingus.

Poxca wrote:

I really cannot see what you mean, at all. But hey, you can still give it a go!

I'll be laconic: science rules the world. You seem to like science.

Poxca wrote:

Do you have another recommendation? All the other groups i seen have no resemblance to my views, hell, the democrats barely fit my views.

Since your views are rather ambiguous yet, I suggest you keep groupless.

welcome to rome

lol @ tyrlop. Welcome!

Welcome !
Enjoy your stay

stos: socialism isnt by the people for the people. its by the workers for the workers.

comunism is by the people for the people because class antagonisms have been eliminated.

Hoxhaist wrote:

stos: socialism isnt by the people for the people. its by the workers for the workers.

comunism is by the people for the people because class antagonisms have been eliminated.

You're using the Leninist meaning of 'socialism', I'm a Marxist.

hi welcome to the forum.

The people here think if your not Communist then you dont understand it, and think that Communism is the only form of Socialism.

and to you guys, he means Anarcho Liberal not Anarcho Democrat.

Liche wrote:

The people here think if your not Communist then you dont understand it,

A true statement in most cases.

Liche wrote:

and think that Communism is the only form of Socialism.

A true statement.

Liche wrote:

and to you guys, he means Anarcho Liberal not Anarcho Democrat.

What about letting him explain himself?

Hes like my brother I can tell what he means. Me him and Sill.

Liche wrote:

Hes like my brother I can tell what he means. Me him and Sill.

Doesn't seem to have worked in the past, I don't expect it work now.

I prefer him to explain that himself.

stos: im not a leninist, every marxist uses that definition.

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Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

- marx, critique of the gotha programme, http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm

dictatorship of the proletariat means the WORKERS RULE

Hoxhaist wrote:

stos: im not a leninist, every marxist uses that definition.

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Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

- marx, critique of the gotha programme, http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm

dictatorship of the proletariat means the WORKERS RULE

Yes, in other words, the revolution is not successful internationally at the same time, and Leninism sucks. Amazing.
Interestingly, Marx did not refer to 'socialism' as a separate stage in your quote.

so if i call it socialism im a leninist but if i dont call it socialism im a marxist. interesting theory but i dont believe it rely maters what you call it

Hoxhaist wrote:

so if i call it socialism im a leninist but if i dont call it socialism im a marxist. interesting theory but i dont believe it rely maters what you call it

No, simply that using 'socialism' to describe some sort of transitional period originated from Lenin.
It doesn't mean that you're a Leninist, just that you're more Leninist. Or something.

well before you said only leninist think dictatorship f proletariat is socialism and your a marxist so you dont.

well i say that if you call it socialism or you dont call it socialism doesnt make you leninist or marxist.

if the use originated with lenin, good. i dont care. the name doesnt matter.

but, caling the DOP socialism is now widely accepted except for a few fringe grous that think it maters so much what you call it and refuse to axcept the mainstream name.

Hoxhaist wrote:

well before you said only leninist think dictatorship f proletariat is socialism and your a marxist so you dont.

well i say that if you call it socialism or you dont call it socialism doesnt make you leninist or marxist.

if the use originated with lenin, good. i dont care. the name doesnt matter.

but, caling the DOP socialism is now widely accepted except for a few fringe grous that think it maters so much what you call it and refuse to axcept the mainstream name.

Leninism is also mainstream.
Also, yes, I was engaging in meaningless rhetoric and should be shot. Maybe I'll go and work for Coke, seeing as suicide is illegal...

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Simply what it is: Egalitarian and democraric control of economy by workers.

Than yes, i understand it...

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

A real democrat is enemy of capitalism for capitalism inherently implies plutocracy, an obstacle for democracy.

Never heard of such a thing, but ah well.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Seems like a lonely way to go.

I am a very lonely person, i prefer it that way.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Ok, I'll try to figure out what you meant when I stop having my mind full with cunnilingus.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Since your views are rather ambiguous yet, I suggest you keep groupless.

Does not matter to me.

Liche wrote:

hi welcome to the forum.

Thank you!

Liche wrote:

The people here think if your not Communist then you dont understand it, and think that Communism is the only form of Socialism.

Ill teach them otherwise, if this is true.

Liche wrote:

and to you guys, he means Anarcho Liberal not Anarcho Democrat.

No, not really!...well, not at all. Ill send it to you in a private message, your an anarchist, maybe i can persuade you to my views...as i was once an anarchist too.