october 17 (edited)

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i am aparently a liberal democrat ill post my views and if youd say om somthing els...wel post it


i beleave in freedom and equality for all (a bit ironic i know as i am mildly racist)

evreyone should have the same opertunitys in life wether rich in the middle or poor altho i doubt this wil ever happen without socilizim

education and healthcare should be paid for by the government

housing and other basic needs aswel unles you are able to afford them

the rights "guarinteed" by the american constitution should surpass evrey law

for example: freedom of speach SHOULD mean that you are free to say whatever you want

the right to bear arms should mean just that, the right to own and carry arms as means of protection and when nesisary to feed ones self

i have no opnion on any of the issues you described, because, i am a marxist, dont believe in morality. i dont believe comunism should exist it will exst no mater if you care.

i think one government is not right for evreyone comunisim is right for some wrong for others personaly i dont like comunisim but that may be beacaus its been driled into my head that comunisim is the deavil, do tel me aboout your political views ive never heard of it

i beleve in the economic writings of karl marx and other marxists. because of some things i wont try

to get you to understand, capitalism will inevitably have a teribel crisis which w

ill make the working class die becos their pooir. then they will rise up and rape the buguarise and b

ecome the ruling class. then once the cpaitlaist class is elminated it is a classess and therfoar stateless society comunism. the end

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I find it hilarious your username is October 17 when your positions are poorly-conceived social democratism.

i disigre, october 17 is for leninsit aka social demorcatst LOL

i agree with the poorly-conceived part but my name has nothing to do with my political beleafs regardles of there stupidity

october 17 wrote:

government should control the army and any other national security related things, anythiong not directly related to the safty of the people shud be ran by the people with regulation were needed

I prefer, "There's no government like no government."

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agree with many of you that the govenrment should own 51% of all major buisneses to ensure the fair treatment of the working man

I don't believe 'most of us' believe that. I don't.

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also i am all for (150%) for socilized health care ---> but i feel you should be able to pay for better (talk to me about the last part as im stil not shure)

By 'socialiazed', I'm hoping you don't mean 'government owned'?
Anyways, why should people be able to pay for better health care? I mean, I'm one of the few labour credit supporters here, and I see it as bollocks.

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the entire world also needs socilized education again with the opertunity to chose better programs (at a cost) (again feed back people feed back)

I prefer, 'the entire world also needs to abolish school. Fuck school.'

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i am for a citezens right to bear arms (for the perpose of feeding ones family and also for protecting that same family)

Feeding one's family...?
Under capitalism, I'm certainly not going to be supporting the bourgeois state having a monopoly on arms, however.

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freedom of speach is a must thats the only power the people truly have (talk about this one also)

Sure. I'm one of the 'extreme' socialists who supports the right for fascists as well, but anyways.
Though we don't have freedom of speech nowadays. Well, unless you can afford it. Or, well, if you happen to be in a place when the US bourgeoisie decides that the government is too left-wing (crud, Allende was only a puny reformist), and decides that they want a little neoliberal experiment.

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the federal governments power shoud lie with the borders of the country defending them and maintaing the army and keeping the peace within there country preventing wars civil or otherwise

Fuck countries.
Nationalism is bollocks, though I wouldn't mind people referring to geographical areas by their nation names, since we're all used to it, but concept of the nation-state is crap, and ought to be gotten rid off. Perhaps we could play around with national borders to piss of fascists, but...

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i dont believe comunism should exist it will exst no mater if you care.

That would make you 'silly'. Engels is proud, and shall unite your mom's opposites tonight through the interpenetration of opposites, and then be stumped when asked what a 'contradiction' (in dialectics-speak) is, and start trolling her.

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That would make you 'silly'.

not my fault you dont understand simpal economics.

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Engels is proud, and shall unite your mom's opposites tonight through the interpenetration of opposites, and then be stumped when asked what a 'contradiction' (in dialectics-speak) is, and start trolling her.

eh im done with this thread

Ohh its a 10 of the 10th month of the day with a 17, you clever Sir.

lol yes its a day of importance worth the naming of an account over

CoolKidX wrote:

Ohh its a 10 of the 10th month of the day with a 17, you clever Sir.

I thought I maybe had to teach you the months. like AM PM.

jk ma/\/

Liche wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

Ohh its a 10 of the 10th month of the day with a 17, you clever Sir.

I thought I maybe had to teach you the months. like AM PM.

jk ma/\/

nO 'casue that's American way, not Dutch, gotta use to that.

By question: What happend to ur name?

I believe in the Vanguard now.

I thought you were an anarchist a few days ago. Why the change of heart? The vanguard only leads to corruption and eventually to counterrevolution.

RichardCMongler wrote:

I thought you were an anarchist a few days ago. Why the change of heart? The vanguard only leads to corruption and eventually to counterrevolution.

His politics have been inconsistent in the past. Of course, you're correct in your assertion, but let's see what Liche has to say on the matter.

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government should control the army and any other national security related things, anythiong not directly related to the safty of the people shud be ran by the people with regulation were needed

Immidiately, i can assume there is a distinction between the 'people' and the 'government'. So we've ruled out democracy. And if i understand, when the people are threatened, their initiative is stunted (in your ideal). Why shouldn't the people be in control of their own defense when they're being directly threatened?

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also i am all for (150%) for socilized health care ---> but i feel you should be able to pay for better (talk to me about the last part as im stil not shure)

So you've already ruled out the possibility of egality. Why? And what makes you think that this will positively affect society?

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the entire world also needs socilized education again with the opertunity to chose better programs

I re-assert my previous statement. Why inequality?

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freedom of speach is a must thats the only power the people truly have

My speech was free the day that my soul descended. This shouldn't be something written in law, because that's assuming that the government, again, seperate from 'people', has the right to take that freedom away, which, as far as i can tell, they do not.

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state government should devide on magor issues only as difrent people need difrent laws

local government should handle the little problems there are

This seems funny to me. It's true that different people want different things in life, but why should this be the job of the federal government, and not the municipalities? I mean, if you want people to craft their societies in a way that suits them, then society should be run from the bottom, up. Otherwise, there will always be some degree of dictation, which stunts initiative, and with it, self-determination (which is something you seem appreciate, given the end of that first statement).

And i'm not trying to pick on you or anything, i'm not like that. I just wanna get to the bottom of what brings you to the conclusions you've reached.

Well I put my self in Anarchist. But slowly my views evolved to Social Democrat. Then I was speaking with some one and they opened my mind on the Vanguard.

RichardCMongler wrote:

I thought you were an anarchist a few days ago. Why the change of heart? The vanguard only leads to corruption and eventually to counterrevolution.

i am definitly not an anarchist im just wel in a confused state with life, out of curiosity what led you to beleave this (all reply pleas)

i was talking to liche ree-ree

just kiding your my favorite kind of aderan wars

Liche wrote:

Well I put my self in Anarchist. But slowly my views evolved to Social Democrat. Then I was speaking with some one and they opened my mind on the Vanguard.

As i hear it, this person was explaining why vanguards don't work.

you fail so hard becaus the DOS work.

Tyrlop wrote:

you fail so hard becaus the DOS work.

To begin with, the image wasnt necessary, second explain why it "DOS" work.

CoolKidX wrote:

To begin with, the image wasnt necessary, second explain why it "DOS" work.

you fail at dos lol.

and i meaned it dos work not the dos work

Why won't you tell the "dos".
Stopping being a dumbass,stop spamming/trolling and give a reasonable awnser.