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Hello there, my name is Pannekoek and I am a Council Communist. I used to be an anarchist but I converted to Marxism because it is scientific socialism and anarchism is utopian socialism.

wtf? anyway welcome.

welcome to the forum.

anarchism is not really utopian socialism at all...

Hey whats going on.

Welcome!

I look forward to hearing you rant and debate

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anarchism is not really utopian socialism at all...

Yes it is. Anarchists want to establish socialism but they think that they can just convince enough people to like anarchy and then anarchy will be achieved. Marxists, on the other hand, understand that the consciousness of people is determined by the material conditions of society. The material conditions need to change to achieve socialism, and they will, as explained by Marx in Das Kapital.

Pannekoek wrote:

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anarchism is not really utopian socialism at all...

Yes it is. Anarchists want to establish socialism but they think that they can just convince enough people to like anarchy and then anarchy will be achieved. Marxists, on the other hand, understand that the consciousness of people is determined by the material conditions of society. The material conditions need to change to achieve socialism, and they will, as explained by Marx in Das Kapital.

for communism to be aceved all pepole need to give up on meterialism.
wich is only avaibel trough religon right now.

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for communism to be aceved all pepole need to give up on meterialism.
wich is only avaibel trough religon right now.

What the hell are you talking about? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Pannekoek wrote:

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for communism to be aceved all pepole need to give up on meterialism.
wich is only avaibel trough religon right now.

What the hell are you talking about? That makes no sense whatsoever.

pepole whant more than the othere competition dummy:tongue:

mattabesta wrote:

Pannekoek wrote:

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for communism to be aceved all pepole need to give up on meterialism.
wich is only avaibel trough religon right now.

What the hell are you talking about? That makes no sense whatsoever.

pepole whant more than the othere competition dummy

You are very confusing

mononokifool wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Pannekoek wrote:

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for communism to be aceved all pepole need to give up on meterialism.
wich is only avaibel trough religon right now.

What the hell are you talking about? That makes no sense whatsoever.

pepole whant more than the othere competition dummy

You are very confusing

you see some one who ownes more than you or lives a better life you wil want to exed him even if he is just as happy as you.

mattabesta wrote:

you see some one who ones more than you or lives a better life you wil want to exed him even if he is just as happy as you.

Only becuase people have been conditioned to think like this, in human nature people do whats good for everyone. Like in tribes when there was no money. People would work on the farm that was for everyone

mononokifool wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

you see some one who ones more than you or lives a better life you wil want to exed him even if he is just as happy as you.

Only becuase people have been conditioned to think like this, in human nature people do whats good for everyone. Like in tribes when there was no money. People would work on the farm that was for everyone

tribes had exhange of goods money just makes it eseyer.
work on the farm or DIE

mattabesta wrote:

mononokifool wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

you see some one who ones more than you or lives a better life you wil want to exed him even if he is just as happy as you.

Only becuase people have been conditioned to think like this, in human nature people do whats good for everyone. Like in tribes when there was no money. People would work on the farm that was for everyone

tribes had exhange of goods money just makes it eseyer.
work on the farm or DIE

So how is that any different now?

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you see some one who ones more than you or lives a better life you wil want to exed him even if he is just as happy as you.

That is true, people do want to get richer than others. How does that mean communism is not inevitable

You live in Anarchis. You have a nice hosue and a Girlfriend, one beoutifle day a big Muscles comes in and says " ok the hosue is now mine and so if your Bitch. now Get the fuck out of my house." And your all " hey you can't do that!" " Oh really? I'm bigger stronger and I got a pack of friends the same - you wanna leave or be carried out?"




thats Anarchism.


Welcome

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

You live in Anarchis. You have a nice hosue and a Girlfriend, one beoutifle day a big Muscles comes in and says " ok the hosue is now mine and so if your Bitch. now Get the fuck out of my house." And your all " hey you can't do that!" " Oh really? I'm bigger stronger and I got a pack of friends the same - you wanna leave or be carried out?"




thats Anarchism.


Welcome

lol, internets for you

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You live in Anarchis. You have a nice hosue and a Girlfriend, one beoutifle day a big Muscles comes in and says " ok the hosue is now mine and so if your Bitch. now Get the fuck out of my house." And your all " hey you can't do that!" " Oh really? I'm bigger stronger and I got a pack of friends the same - you wanna leave or be carried out?"

True, but I also look forward to the withering away of the state. I just know it can not happen until class antagonisms are eliminated.

People without a Govarment, lack of Order leads to Chaos, and Chaos to collapsing of races based on Order-reliabilities, Such as Humanity.

If Humans don't feel there is someone watching them they won't feel Moral boarders. Thus leading to Gluttony and carefree-ness, soon the Strong and stupid will start forcing there own hierarchy based on one's physical strength, and not only will we be back to the " Hierarchy ladder' but also soon fall back in to pre-history.

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People without a Govarment, lack of Order leads to Chaos, and Chaos to collapsing of races based on Order-reliabilities, Such as Humanity.

I thought you were a communist. Do you even know what communism is? It is a theory advocating the establishment of a stateless, classless, moneyless society. If you do not support the withering away of the state then you are a socialist, not a communist.

Also the state will inevitably cease to exist because the state is an instrument of class domination. In socialism the only class is the working class, so there can be no class domination. Therefore the state must cease to exist.

mononokifool wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

mononokifool wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

you see some one who ones more than you or lives a better life you wil want to exed him even if he is just as happy as you.

Only becuase people have been conditioned to think like this, in human nature people do whats good for everyone. Like in tribes when there was no money. People would work on the farm that was for everyone

tribes had exhange of goods money just makes it eseyer.
work on the farm or DIE

So how is that any different now?

becuse you can work in a office?

thats Anarcho-communism actually

Anarcho-communists want to immediately abolish the state. Marxists want the state to eventually wither away, so society will go from the lower stage of communism (socialism) to the higher stage, where there is no state, classes or money. Regular socialists want the state to exist forever.

Anarchism and utopian socialism are very differnet but welcome anyway.

Anarchism is a modern form of the old utopian socialism of More and Fourier.