Vladimir Putin

No - you see, when You say your left wing that means that besides being all for power being grasped by the people, your also a open minded character and you tolerate other people, supporting Putin and suppression homosexual people is a big "no-no" in any self-respecting socialists/communists book, and you can claim your Santa by all means, Calling on representing a Political ground and showing very little if any support to it and following of it's doctrines, makes you just a poser - like Stalin was.

DarkSide wrote:

i think he is a hero

definite a genius

Why do you think so?

Riddler wrote:

DarkSide wrote:

i think he is a hero

definite a genius

Why do you think so?

comrade... putin is a great man

in my honest opinion "Authoritarian-left" does not exist. At the very, very, very basics Fascism is a dictator in control of the economy, military, etc. As long as money is still a factor the system is still capitalist. The only difference is how this wealth is spread. In my opinion all AL's are closet righties

Diogritor wrote:

in my honest opinion "Authoritarian-left" does not exist. At the very, very, very basics Fascism is a dictator in control of the economy, military, etc. As long as money is still a factor the system is still capitalist. The only difference is how this wealth is spread. In my opinion all AL's are closet righties

what bullshit, when ther is money the system is capitalistic? lol comunism even the idea of comunism without money never a idea or option, you just say that money "is" cpitalism money is just a medium of exchange! the BIG difference is the mentalety and the fact HOW you use the money!
ciptalism ist just the idea of consumption and nothing other with out care about anything alse, socialism is the contrary of that its (social)ism so f*** you righty

RedSoviet wrote:

Diogritor wrote:

in my honest opinion "Authoritarian-left" does not exist. At the very, very, very basics Fascism is a dictator in control of the economy, military, etc. As long as money is still a factor the system is still capitalist. The only difference is how this wealth is spread. In my opinion all AL's are closet righties

what bullshit, when ther is money the system is capitalistic? lol comunism even the idea of comunism without money never a idea or option, you just say that money "is" cpitalism money is just a medium of exchange! the BIG difference is the mentalety and the fact HOW you use the money!
ciptalism ist just the idea of consumption and nothing other with out care about anything alse, socialism is the contrary of that its (social)ism so f*** you righty

I hate to break it to you but money is the ONLY thing that (loosely) defines capitalism. Commusnism cannot work unless every nation is communist(lenin's world wide revolution never happened.) but Socialism can. A loose definition of Socialism is where every single person gets what he needs and works for the greater good. In my translation of Fascism the only difference in the economy is that you are not limited however most money is spent on keeping the gears of the economy running.

also.. I wouldn't insult a new mod mad with power ^^

RedSoviet wrote:

comrade... putin is a great man

Zealot has explained: he'd did nothing of great. He still remains a puppet of the oligarchy and a friend of the capitalist West.

RedSoviet wrote:

what bullshit, when ther is money the system is capitalistic? lol comunism even the idea of comunism without money never a idea or option, you just say that money "is" cpitalism money is just a medium of exchange!

This is off-topic since the debate should be about Vladimir Putin and why is he either a hero or not, however, I can't miss this oportunity to correct.

In Communism there's no money, no capital. Communism relies entirely on production and distribution of that production being the latter determined by law which itself will be determined by varying criteria depending, in the best of cases, on scientific and democratic argumentation. In communism there's no exchange, no market, no trade.

RedSoviet wrote:

the BIG difference is the mentalety and the fact HOW you use the money!
ciptalism ist just the idea of consumption and nothing other with out care about anything alse, socialism is the contrary of that its (social)ism so f*** you righty

To say short, there can be socialist capitalisms, that is a capitalism which focuses its investment in social walfare projects such as free health, free education, free (or cheap) public transport, etc. These systems, and history proved it, tend to be failed unless they manage to get gigantic enough incomes to cover the expenditures of their walfare.

Lets take USSR as example, USSR's economy relied on a capital which was mainly spent in military and socially focused enterprises, no profitable business, just expenditures.

Socialist Capitalisms do need to generate profit otherwise they collapse, like USSR. Some European countries have mild social capitalisms, that is, they use a percentage of their enormous incomes for walfare giving a "socialist" impression.

That's what you're speaking about, socialist capitalisms. USSR could handle such a difficult to handle system mainly during the Deténte because it could lower military expenditures. However, Soviet society got used to a capitalist modus operandi, to a capitalist mentality, and that is "We need money, we need an individual capital to survive and do any activity we need", that is, the Soviet system relied on the same premise capitalism does just the owner of everything was the state and the focus was given to other non-profiting enterprising.

Speaking about money and socialism/communism: If you have socialism is because you're killing the money; if you have communism is because you have succeded in the previous task.

Now... could we go back to Mr. Putin?