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oligarch Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1643 Join date : 2008-01-31
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:32 am | |
| - Liche wrote:
- Pannekoek wrote:
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- I am more syndicalist than anarchist
Consider Marxism. I have and the said thing is I'm still thinking about it...
When I try to find more information on it, the source is irellevant or the author as a libretarian....seriosly it gets annoying they only list the cons and no pros. But from what I do know about it, it sounds like a good concept. You should read Marx then, its the best way to learn about Marxism. | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:35 am | |
| Or read my posts, that's nearly as good. | |
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| Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:13 am | |
| - Pannekoek wrote:
- Or read my posts, that's nearly as good.
no, it is better to read for yourself. |
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Liche Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts : 4613 Join date : 2008-01-30 Age : 30 Location : USA-Virginia
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:45 pm | |
| - mononokifool wrote:
- Pannekoek wrote:
- Or read my posts, that's nearly as good.
no, it is better to read for yourself. Yep. Besides something tells me that other sources 'mite' have more information lol. | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:34 pm | |
| - Riddler wrote:
- WTF? Why are the socdems and the authoritarians in opposition to the communists? Me protest!
I agree, since the political ideologies of the people involved in the communist and socialist parties are authoritarian anyway. Are these coalitions still current? | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:01 am | |
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- the political ideologies of the people involved in the communist and socialist parties are authoritarian anyway
What a charming boy you are | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:59 am | |
| - MarxistFreeman wrote:
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- the political ideologies of the people involved in the communist and socialist parties are authoritarian anyway
What a charming boy you are I wasn't trying to charm anyone. The dictatorship of the proletariat is authoritarian. The socialist transition is authoritarian. Just because you like it, doesn't make it wrong. | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:10 am | |
| the dictatorship is most certainly not authoritarian | |
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Riddler Hero of Socialist Labor
Posts : 488 Join date : 2008-01-31 Age : 33
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:36 am | |
| - Watermelon wrote:
- the dictatorship is most certainly not authoritarian
Authoritarian means the power of authority of one person - synonym of the dictature. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:39 am | |
| - Riddler wrote:
- Watermelon wrote:
- the dictatorship is most certainly not authoritarian
Authoritarian means the power of authority of one person - synonym of the dictature. capitalism is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat communism is a classless society the bourgeoisie being more than one person same applies to the proletariat |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:21 pm | |
| dictator means class not person | |
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| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:00 pm | |
| - Watermelon wrote:
- dictator means class not person
it doesn't necessarily mean ONLY one or the other |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:03 pm | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:03 pm | |
| - Watermelon wrote:
- for Marxism it does.
We're not tryin to trap ourselves within the confines of marxism for this discussion; there's no point. - Quote :
- Authoritarian means the power of authority of one person - synonym of the dictature.
According to who? | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:20 pm | |
| So why is Marxism authoritarian By the way I think we should boot the commies from our coalition. | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:04 pm | |
| - Watermelon wrote:
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Marxism authoritarian I don't understand how you think it isn't. As long as there is a state, there is authority. During the dictatorship, the state will still exist, it will have just changed hands. | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:09 pm | |
| What is bad about a state? It is not bad if it is a proletarian state. | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:23 pm | |
| - Watermelon wrote:
- What is bad about a state?
Where'd you get that from? I do think it's bad, but i hadn't said that til just now. - Quote :
- It is not bad if it is a proletarian state.
Any political state can be only for one class, at the expense of the rest. Proletarians aren't the only workers, they aren't even the majority of the workers. So why would i condone a dictatorship of a minority over the majority? | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 3:53 am | |
| Lol the definition of proletarian is worker. also y is teh stayt badd. | |
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| Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 8:35 am | |
| - Watermelon wrote:
- for Marxism it does.
it says that it can include the dictatorship of one person ALSO dictatorship of the proletariat is dictatorship of a class |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 6:41 pm | |
| - Watermelon wrote:
- Lol the definition of proletarian is worker. also y is teh stayt badd.
No, it's not. The definition of proletarian is generally tied to the industrial workers who produce, but do not own the means of their own production. EDIT: Forgot to answer your question. The state is bad because, by its very nature, it defends one class, either an existing one, or one it will inadvertantly create after a successful coup.
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Thu May 01, 2008 7:22 pm | |
| - NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:
- Watermelon wrote:
- Lol the definition of proletarian is worker. also y is teh stayt badd.
No, it's not. The definition of proletarian is generally tied to the industrial workers who produce, but do not own the means of their own production. how dare we correct him on that which he claimed to have improved! |
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enviro Member of the Supreme Council
Posts : 2629 Join date : 2008-02-05 Age : 25 Location : bite the power
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Wed May 28, 2008 4:11 am | |
| the green miniority is in the majority rule. hahaha. by the way i emhbrace every function(excpet capitalism and aouthorian. so it seems fitting that i am with them.muahahahahahahaha.sorry to spam but i wanna get this out from what read from page 1 | |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 2650 Join date : 2008-04-05 Age : 30 Location : springfield, il
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:57 am | |
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- No, it's not. The definition of proletarian is generally tied to the industrial workers who produce, but do not own the means of their own production.
Lol. you make me laff ver y muchly. I will give you the truth definitions. 1. bourgeoisie: Teh class in capitalism taht owns teh means of perduction. tehy dont werk. tehy hire proletariats to werk. 2. proletariat: teh class in captialism not owning tehy own means of perductions. tehy werk for teh bourgeoisies. 3. means of perductiins: things that are used to perduce shtuff. examples: factories tools. NO A GARDEN SHOVE L IS NOT A MEANS OF PERDUCTIONS. teh ends | |
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Liche Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts : 4613 Join date : 2008-01-30 Age : 30 Location : USA-Virginia
| Subject: Re: Coalitions Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:25 am | |
| Don't trust proletarians. Thats all you need to know. | |
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