Religion in a communist society

Do you believe religion should be banned in a communist society?

I may play devil's advocate for the sake of argument if no one steps up for the 'yes' side.

I left vote cancelling available and didn't put an 'undecided' choice in the poll.

banned in a workers state ofcourse.

You think religion should be banned? Or are you confused? I'm asking personal opinion, so it doesn't really apply to you soft-lefters, since you don't want a communist society.

But if you do feel religion should be banned, go into detail as to why you think so.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

You think religion should be banned? Or are you confused? I'm asking personal opinion, so it doesn't really apply to you soft-lefters, since you don't want a communist society.

But if you do feel religion should be banned, go into detail as to why you think so.

religon can not exsist in a true workers state it will make god part of the capitalists, the priests will become currubt with powere and start anti-rvolutionary activityes.

freedom of religion in all country's

Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it.

Not "ban" but rather flood the society with materialist education and focus on identifying the factors that lend themselves to religion and addressing them appropriately and allowing it to naturally whither away.

HELL YEAH NJNP IS A COMMIE NOW

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HELL YEAH NJNP IS A COMMIE NOW

... I'm still a part of the anarchist party, i just wanted to debate in the communist forum, since technically, communism is the end-game that all socialists (cept of course those quacks who believe we should stop and settle in the transitional state) shoot for. And i'm more of an anarcho-communist anyway, so it makes sense to be in both, no?

Riddler wrote:

Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it.

how so?
the ussr didn't break becuse of religon.

In a workers state, as Mark said materialist education. In communism there is no need, religion is gonn like totally.

mattabesta wrote:

Riddler wrote:

Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it.

how so?
the ussr didn't break becuse of religon.

A lot of people were against the communist party because it banned the religion. This was one of the causes of the breakdown of the USSR.

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Riddler wrote:

Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it.

how so?
the ussr didn't break becuse of religon.

A lot of people were against the communist party because it banned the religion. This was one of the causes of the breakdown of the USSR.

no they were against communism.
marx said that religion was the opimate of the masses

Sorry to everyone. I've been swamped with work this week, so i haven't had the time necessary to post a proper response. I'll play a little devil's advocate soon here.

So play it then. Riddler may help you lol.

Emy wrote:

So play it then. Riddler may help you lol.

I'm busy, DAMN!!...

Alright, i'll begin, i guess.

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freedom of religion in all country's

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Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it.

But is it not a problem that children are allowed to be indoctrinated into falsehood? What about religions that condone the killing of 'infidels', like Islam and Mormonism (ya, it's true)? Should we allow people to risk the lives of others and their own lives (since they would likely be dealt with accordingly if they attempted murder or something along this line) just because their parents were a part of the religion? Is that fair to the child? To the rest of the society? Religious fanatics and fundamentalists are a threat to everyone around them by their dogmatic, blind following alone. Why should their violent ways be allowed to persist?

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marx said that religion was the opimate of the masses

Could this not've been the reason they opposed communism? Since religions like christianity, by its content, oppose communism? Christian religions straight up say that the rich were created for a reason... Even though they're supposed to take care of the poor, which they're doin a bang up job of nowadays, eh?

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

Emy wrote:

So play it then. Riddler may help you lol.

I'm busy, DAMN!!...

Alright, i'll begin, i guess.

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freedom of religion in all country's

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Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it.

But is it not a problem that children are allowed to be indoctrinated into falsehood? What about religions that condone the killing of 'infidels', like Islam and Mormonism (ya, it's true)? Should we allow people to risk the lives of others and their own lives (since they would likely be dealt with accordingly if they attempted murder or something along this line) just because their parents were a part of the religion? Is that fair to the child? To the rest of the society? Religious fanatics and fundamentalists are a threat to everyone around them by their dogmatic, blind following alone. Why should their violent ways be allowed to persist?

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marx said that religion was the opimate of the masses

Could this not've been the reason they opposed communism? Since religions like christianity, by its content, oppose communism? Christian religions straight up say that the rich were created for a reason... Even though they're supposed to take care of the poor, which they're doin a bang up job of nowadays, eh?

Christianity is to violence as Stalin is to communism.

religion should be banned because it is an incarnation of the state.
it is fueld by money which is of course financed by exploitation.
however not exploiting ones labor but ones fears.
but that is just my belief.

if i was to be born in a society completely equal were my religion was taken i would consider dieing for the right

You can't ban belief. however i find it unlikely that a communist society could support a very strong religous current.

Religion will never die out, no matter how much I dislike it. What it needs to do, however, is chage. Yes, change and religion don't mix. Like water to oil. Or wine. He, he. Islam, Morman, Christian, Jewdiism, even most likely Hinduism and Buhdism as well, need to chage to flow with the views of society. Namely race relations, tolerance, and views on homosexuals, as well as women, and what the rest of humanity considers normal for laws and crime and punishment. For example, women showing their bodies as illegal? Not acording to most of society. Stoning? Not an aacceptable punishment. In fact, punishment is not as widely accepted anymore. Rehabilitation when applicable is. A Hitler like person would get life without question. A random murderer? Rehabilitation. Yes, he may reoffend, but that's what probation is for. It desn't always work. But nothing will always work. And it's not like any of the prison system is a deterent.

Anyway, back to my previous point, religion would be more than welcom as long as it adherres to societal norms in order to prevent certain violent peoples. Or at least violence for those reasons, for the most part. I'm sure I'll think of more to add to this little speech later.

beatnikzach wrote:

religion should be banned because it is an incarnation of the state.
it is fueld by money which is of course financed by exploitation.
however not exploiting ones labor but ones fears.
but that is just my belief.

Who would enforce this ban? Would this not lead to the building of a new state, or at the very least take steps toward building a new state?

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if i was to be born in a society completely equal were my religion was taken i would consider dieing for the right

Of what religion are you a part of?

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You can't ban belief.

But you can ban the right for them to gather in practice of a belief.

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Islam, Morman, Christian, Jewdiism, even most likely Hinduism and Buhdism as well, need to chage to flow with the views of society.

What's the point of being religious if you aren't going to follow it's doctrines? In most cases, i would say, that defeats the purpose, but i could be wrong.

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Namely race relations, tolerance, and views on homosexuals, as well as women, and what the rest of humanity considers normal for laws and crime and punishment. For example, women showing their bodies as illegal? Not acording to most of society. Stoning? Not an aacceptable punishment.

This is what i'm talking about. If it says that these things are proper and moral in your religion, you must, by the religion's (usually) clearly stated rules, adhere to those rules. Religion, as far as i know, doesn't say anything about following societal norms. If anything it usually says things about influencing societal norms.

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Namely race relations, tolerance, and views on homosexuals, as well as women, and what the rest of humanity considers normal for laws and crime and punishment. For example, women showing their bodies as illegal? Not acording to most of society. Stoning? Not an aacceptable punishment.

This has hardly anything to do with religion and the way it is generally, "correctly" handled.

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Anyway, back to my previous point, religion would be more than welcom as long as it adherres to societal norms in order to prevent certain violent peoples.

But it doesn't adhere. God, in the christian religions, has given believers the divine right to break laws that are unjust. And unjust to christians is much different than unjust to you and i. They get their perception of good and bad from the bible, not the same place we get our perceptions.

When your born they should have to crawl to a bible or science textbook. Which ever you go to is what you belive.

If you go to the Textbook we'll have some complicated BS for why your not religious.

If you go to the bible/holybook you are told a bunch of dogmatic stuff about god guiding you towards the fate.

Banning Religion?
Well of course, if you are an all powerful autocratic leader, which is the only way any kind of communism can work, you can forbid it. Just like Thinking, Loving, Hoping, Feeling or else. The thing is would the people obey you? or resist?
Religion or at least faith is nothing you can decide on whether you have it or not. A human being must have faith in some kind of divinity because thats part of our souls.
Well you could still turn us into Cyborgs.

@anarchist.dagger: Where do you get your perceptions from?

a society without a government can only be an autocracy?

i see how you got your username

A society without a government does not exist or it wouldn't be a society.
What do you mean? Anarchy?