can green coexist with capitalism

**enviro** · Subject: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:05 am

i,ve been hearing no for a while so im just wonderin?
its called green capitalism or eco-cash, and im wondering your opinoin
i mean its erfectly reasonable and any kind of green is good, but also can green really coexist with other systems asll well
plz give me some answers, ive been gone a while AND I WANNA DEBATE

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:36 am

you know there are like three wuestions right?

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**oligarch** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:59 am

"Green Capitalism" is just a series of gimmicks such as British Petrolium claiming that its not an oil company with no real impact on the environment as they make no changes to the mode of production. Capitalism will always see the world as nothing more than a collection of commodities and raw materials rather than something essential that must be preserved for the survival of humanity.

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:23 pm

but you are basing this on only american and british gov,t
germany for one is very envionmental, as is australia

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**oligarch** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:37 am

The actual mode of production which brought about the current environmental crisis has not been altered.
Any environmentally friendly measures taken under capitalism will at most cushion the blow.

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:31 am

That's cause the people in Germany are superior, they don't have any carbon emissions.

Didn't any one listen to Hitler? (not saying I support him)

(and no he didn't say anything about carbon emission just that we--they are superior)

**enviro** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:36 am

well what about australi and HELLO finlan, switz, and

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**oligarch** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:26 am

They're all taking green measures but it will never be enough so long as the actual mode of production remains the same.

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**Alek4A** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:51 pm

enviromentalism isnt a system hahaha its just a policy if anything... it can be applied to whatever you want

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:13 am

you are wrong
green is a political ssytem and a life style
green has influenced so many political disicions its not even funny
and many places have green parties

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:34 am

enviro wrote:

you are wrong
green is a political ssytem

How is it a political system?

enviro wrote:

and a life style

Which you can't completely fulfill living normally within society, specially a capitalist one.

enviro wrote:

green has influenced so many political disicions its not even funny

Which proves what?

enviro wrote:

and many places have green parties

Which proves that parties can be created out of nowheere be nonsensical and contradictory even in an obvious way and still be granted respect and considered serious.

**oligarch** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:29 am

The only way Green can be a political system in a technocracy.

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:40 am

oligarch wrote:

The only way Green can be a political system in a technocracy.

Maybe enviro made his own political system Very Happy

**enviro** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:32 pm

fine i guess green is a sub political category, laching on to others to change thier charecterisitcs
anarcho-greens
eco-socialism
but still
i wonder why it was chosen for wr

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**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:43 am

given that consciousness of the ppl is high and income too cupeled with high oil prize is bound to lead to a green tech boom.

example: cars in 1970'S burnt 2 times moar fuel than modren cars.
the us could save 15% energy by investing 30bn$ in more efficent technolagy, the us has spent somethnig like 1trillion on the banking system so far.

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stos wrote:
I'm with the left commies on this one.

I'm not back I'm just bored to death.

''Any society that would give up a little liberty, to gain a little security, will deserve neither and lose both.'' - Benjamin Franklin

**enviro** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:29 am

capitalsim can exist with green in greens most purest form
(alek4 dont you be hatin in this thread)
althoguh to accomplish true green, you need a form of gov,t that has not money driven economy

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**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:42 pm

enviro wrote:

capitalsim can exist with green in greens most purest form
(alek4 dont you be hatin in this thread)
althoguh to accomplish true green, you need a form of gov,t that has not money driven economy

no not really green IS economical in the long t3ewrm I mean you can meake a lot more money fro the earth if it exists for 1billion years more than you can if it exists for 1million.

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stos wrote:
I'm with the left commies on this one.

I'm not back I'm just bored to death.

''Any society that would give up a little liberty, to gain a little security, will deserve neither and lose both.'' - Benjamin Franklin

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:53 pm

enviro wrote:

fine i guess green is a sub political category, laching on to others to change thier charecterisitcs
anarcho-greens
eco-socialism
but still
i wonder why it was chosen for wr

Green was chosen by Kenzu in order to resemble existing parties in the world.

**enviro** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:26 pm

that just sadens me

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**Alek4A** · Subject: Re: can green coexist with capitalism Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:29 pm

I don't have anything against you enviro, but it angers me that he wants to strip us of many active parties but the green party which posses 1 member gets to remain

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