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what do we do about the ex-capitalists
Kill 'em all!
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give them fake money and jail them in commy jail
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give them new identity, a new chance for new live, only secret police will know their real identity.
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send them to the coal mines to dig for us.
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make them the new leaders of the world onion!
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PostSubject: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:29 pm

after the revolution, what do we do about the ex-capitalists?
post here ur opiniun and why Smile
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:31 pm

I say give them a chance, they are people to. If the revolution fails, would you want them to kill you just because you think differently?



and, by the way, wtf is a world onion?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:36 pm

A new identy?
Are u serius?
Theres not even a option for nothing, i mean all the commies in a cappie society are not in jail or have new names O.o

Secret police?
That's more in facist society's..
You wnna be like the CIA?

Also..
What about free speech?
IF u wnna be a cappie fine, right?

I mena just let them do nothing, i mean its like "okay we won the revoultion, we win you lose, bye"

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:45 pm

SIT : socialist International terminators
the new police, its ok if its socialts
socialists are allways right so... goodbye to freedom of speech becaus all know we are allways right, we dont want someone to answer wrong all the time DO WE?!

world onion is like one big country! the world! lol, btw i was talking about the top capitalist, pepul we knew had done much crimes, also politicans, btw dont take half of my post serius lolwut
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:47 pm

I get the top-cappies thing lol:P

btw, how u gnna do the revoltion i mean it can be done in 3rd and 2nd world countries but how u gnna do the revoltuion in USA?
And eruopa?

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:53 pm

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I get the top-cappies thing lol:P

btw, how u gnna do the revoltion i mean it can be done in 3rd and 2nd world countries but how u gnna do the revoltuion in USA?
And eruopa?
only time will tell. we must beat the global capitalism. global warming will make perfect conditions + war with upcomming evil doers like russia and iram they will beat eachother to oblivion, and then we will arais from starvation and start the revoultion!!!! HURAY
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:14 pm

If the revolution succeeds in what you call "2nd" and "3rd" world countries, 1st world countries will immediately enter a crisis. Their wholeconomic empires would fall and that "wellbeing state" they enjoy would go to hell.

Now, what about the capitalists? A person is ex-capitalist as soon as that person has stopped being capitalist in ideology. Therefore an ex-capitalist can be called a comrade.

After the revolution those who keep capitalist ideals can be divided in different types:

Passive Capitalists: Those who consider capitalism a better system than communism and would like to go back to capitalism but aren't eager to do anything to change the system back. They can express themselves or not. I personally would give them free speech.

Reactionary capitalists: Those who wanting capitalism back would do all they could to sabotage the communist system from simple civilian disobedience to outright reactionary attacks. These are on my black book and I would send them to gulags.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:19 pm

About the Reactionary capitalists actully that are the commies on thiz forum, or the rev-lefties here, right?
They dont go to the gulag.


And with 2nd and 3rd countries away USA and europa will still have a high wellbeing meter.

But seriusly you want to send all the cappies who want to change things to the gulag?

That's like the commies now !

And still dont get it, how you going to beat USA into communism?
They have nukes, and if they want they nuke there own ppl.

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:59 pm

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About the Reactionary capitalists actully that are the commies on thiz forum, or the rev-lefties here, right?
They dont go to the gulag.

I don't get what you're trying to say.

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And with 2nd and 3rd countries away USA and europa will still have a high wellbeing meter.

Reflecting your lack of knowledge on how these countries are able to afford such a wellbeing state, why they conform a single bloc and why they're not only totally uneager to let countries get succesful revolutions but to literally conquer them.

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But seriusly you want to send all the cappies who want to change things to the gulag?

That's like the commies now !

No, communists are revolutionaires who want to change the status quo into a system that benefits everybody or at least the great majorities.

In the event of a succesful communist revolution, capitalists wanting to get back to capitalism would be reactionaries since they want to go back to the previously stablished system. They wouldn't be revolutionaries, and even if they were, they'd be making a revolution, striving for a change towards the benefit of few at the expense of many which is democratically intolarable. Basically they'd be criminals.

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And still dont get it, how you going to beat USA into communism?
They have nukes, and if they want they nuke there own ppl.

If the great capitalist starves he'll have no choice but to join or die.

And tell me... don't you think that nuking their own people would simply be too extremist a definitive destructive blow on the whole US system to destroy it?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:06 pm

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I don't get what you're trying to say.


he says that we are like the reactionarys capitalists in a communists state, but we dont get treaten as we want to treat capitalist reactionarys.

i mean if we are the reactionarys right now, but we dont get treaten as we want to treat them if they where the opposite reactionarys. get it?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:08 pm

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he says that we are like the reactionarys capitalists in a communists state, but we dont get treaten as we want to treat capitalist reactionarys.

i mean if we are the reactionarys right now, but we dont get treaten as we want to treat them if they where the opposite reactionarys. get it?

I know but I want him to express correctly, after all he repeats this later in the same post in a much clearer way.

Besides he seems to mean more, whcih I sincerely don't quite get.

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:39 pm

Well, I'll be happy if you are gonna give me an honorable death. 'Cause I won't change after this so-called revolution.


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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:41 pm

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Well, I'll be happy if you are gonna give me an honorable death. 'Cause I won't change after this so-called revolution.


That will pretty much depend on the circumstances.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:42 pm

Man, I'd be pretty glad to lead the counter-revolution.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:04 pm

i wouldnt expect these kind of options from a communist or a socialist. Of course they could live as equals with us

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:15 pm

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Man, I'd be pretty glad to lead the counter-revolution.

Counter-revolution, f**k yea ! Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 pm

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i wouldnt expect these kind of options from a communist or a socialist. Of course they could live as equals with us

Ok, so would you grant a guy who does nothing for society all the benefits society can offer? Would you treat as an equal someone who out of mere protest puts a bomb on a factory? Wouldn't you stop someone from preventing workers to move freely?

Would you treat counter-revolutionaries like they did nothing?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:39 am

excapalist and capitalists should be treated no differnt then others , other wise its not equal, not left, and fascist
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:56 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Ok, so would you grant a guy who does nothing for society all the benefits society can offer? Would you treat as an equal someone who out of mere protest puts a bomb on a factory? Wouldn't you stop someone from preventing workers to move freely?

Would you treat counter-revolutionaries like they did nothing?
Any of these situations have nothing to do with excapitalist. If they are no longer capitalist then why would they not coexist? I am an excapitalist, i wasnt always aware of our class antagonisms and i was a strong supporter of the democratic party so should i be thrown into a gulag because i wasnt born a commie?

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:39 am

I likely won't change. I just have to ask, what is with you and killing people? Or at least exploiting them, and yes that's what all those options are. Either kill or exploit. I don't get the onion. I thought exploiting was something you guys wanted to end? Seriously, if this is what we can look forward to, I vouch for freking BUSH if he leads the opposition to your revolution.

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:44 am

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
I likely won't change. I just have to ask, what is with you and killing people? Or at least exploiting them, and yes that's what all those options are. Either kill or exploit. I don't get the onion. I thought exploiting was something you guys wanted to end? Seriously, if this is what we can look forward to, I vouch for freking BUSH if he leads the opposition to your revolution.

I see your point Tyrong, but they are talking about their "class enemy".
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:17 am

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Tyrong Kojy wrote:
I likely won't change. I just have to ask, what is with you and killing people? Or at least exploiting them, and yes that's what all those options are. Either kill or exploit. I don't get the onion. I thought exploiting was something you guys wanted to end? Seriously, if this is what we can look forward to, I vouch for freking BUSH if he leads the opposition to your revolution.

I see your point Tyrong, but they are talking about their "class enemy".
Most of us do not think this way.

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:19 am

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Any of these situations have nothing to do with excapitalist. If they are no longer capitalist then why would they not coexist? I am an excapitalist, i wasnt always aware of our class antagonisms and i was a strong supporter of the democratic party so should i be thrown into a gulag because i wasnt born a commie?

I guess you misunderstood me or missed a part of my 1st post here. I'd simply oppose counter-revolutionaries, I wouldn't even oppose "passive capitalists" expressing their ideas.

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
I likely won't change. I just have to ask, what is with you and killing people? Or at least exploiting them, and yes that's what all those options are. Either kill or exploit. I don't get the onion. I thought exploiting was something you guys wanted to end? Seriously, if this is what we can look forward to, I vouch for freking BUSH if he leads the opposition to your revolution.

Look, what would you do in the event of a succesful revolution having nowhere to go except to the wild? Would you stay and colaborate? Would you stay and protest by civilian disobedience? Would you participate in counter revolution?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:27 am

aggressive counter revolutionaries will most likely not be around after we have an established society. Immediately after a revolution i can see a strong counter-revolution movement which will still be war like in nature while handling them.

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:32 am

mononokifool wrote:

Most of us do not think this way.

It is reassuring to know this.
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