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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:31 pm

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What if you're being not curt.

Then i have to do a whole lot of explaining which i don't feel the least bit inclined to do. If mono wants to learn about it more in depth, i'd be happy to help. But if he did, i'm sure he could just PM me or start a thread.

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PostSubject: Revolutuion   Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:46 am

If revolution where to occur the first target would be the WTO since this is perhaps the most powerful global tool of corporate power.
It is deeply entwined with the most powerful corporations on earth and protects them form humanitarian and gov regulation.

The 'bourgeoisie' are of little importance in todays corporate society - they are often scattered shareholders with little to no power over the corporations themselves - The true power lies in the hands of - 'The boards of Management' an assortment of high ranking business men who's
sole duty is to drive the corporation towards profit 'at ANY cost' - ie child labor, exploitation, braking human rights laws - they are rewarded well for this service.

Corporations are not held to account by the law in that the 'many' shareholders are anonymous and have no real control - the corporations defend themselves with armys of lawyers. - why they can get away with crime- no responsibility exists, the corporation is an selfless entity that generates 'huge' profits for its shareholders and more importantly its management.

On an international level they are protected by the WTO+IMF who have infected gov of all levels -



HEY FBI THIS IS ALL THEORETICAL

Yea right

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:41 am

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:
Pannekoek wrote:
What if you're being not curt.

Then i have to do a whole lot of explaining which i don't feel the least bit inclined to do. If mono wants to learn about it more in depth, i'd be happy to help. But if he did, i'm sure he could just PM me or start a thread.
I would like to know, can you pm me?

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:53 am

mononokifool wrote:
I would like to know, can you pm me?

Ah shit. See what you did Emy?!

haha, ya, i'll send you a PM in a bit here. I'm just getting settled on the site again, and i'm workin out some semantics for Mow Crij. Sorry for the delay mono.

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:22 am

Mono your lucky you dont have anything huge to work on like riting countrpulleemix or making mow crij. Mark has to do both lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:31 am

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Mono your lucky you dont have anything huge to work on like riting countrpulleemix or making mow crij. Mark has to do both lol.
No but i have to work all night an study for finals.

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:49 pm

ooo finals big whup affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:11 pm

Emy wrote:
ooo finals big whup affraid

are you kidding?

do you know what college finals are like?
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:54 pm

No. Why does it matter its just a test you have so long to studdey.
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:18 am

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No. Why does it matter its just a test you have so long to studdey.
because My scholarship rides on my grades, if I do poorly that means no more school for me so it is very important

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:42 pm

Let's get back on topic.

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Only if there's a depression or something, radicalization of society happens through events, in particularly catastrophes.

Ya, and these sorts of things are beginning to happen, just not in america. Look at Nigeria, where these bullshit food prices are causing families to spend 3/4ths of their income on food alone. And the rest goes to electricity, so they're not pocketing anything. And people in Europe took to the streets in the thousands saying things like "we're hungry" and "the cost of life is too high". And how did the Russian revolution begin? That's right, a shortage of food. And in England they just got hit by the biggest strike wave of their history. Things like this tell me that other countries aren't so far from rebelling.

But in America it's at least 35-40 years off. We'd almost have a better shot taking america down through war, since the american citizens are nationalistic, backwards, arrogant, and brainwashed.

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:57 pm

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And how did the Russian revolution begin? That's right, a shortage of food
I told you in the other thread that revolution happens first in poor countries but you disputed my claim. I told you that rich countries have the least class consciousness. Are you agreeing now or what?
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:29 pm

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And how did the Russian revolution begin? That's right, a shortage of food
I told you in the other thread that revolution happens first in poor countries but you disputed my claim. I told you that rich countries have the least class consciousness. Are you agreeing now or what?

Dear christ! I didn't dispute that. I disputed only that the amount of class consciousness is not determined solely by how oppressed you are. I didn't dispute that revolution happens first in poor countries or that poorer countries have less class consciousness than wealthier countries.

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Thu May 01, 2008 3:43 am

I said por countries have more consciousness, not lesce. your twisting my werds.
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Thu May 01, 2008 4:20 am

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:
And how did the Russian revolution begin? That's right, a shortage of food.

But in America it's at least 35-40 years off. We'd almost have a better shot taking america down through war, since the american citizens are nationalistic, backwards, arrogant, and brainwashed.

lol yeah. French Revolution was the same exact thing. "Let them have cake". LULZ.

And yes, most Americans are like that. It's unfortunate but effective. To keep a person brainwashed, you MUST keep them happy.

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Thu May 08, 2008 9:27 am

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:
Let's get back on topic.

oligarch wrote:
Only if there's a depression or something, radicalization of society happens through events, in particularly catastrophes.

Ya, and these sorts of things are beginning to happen, just not in america. Look at Nigeria, where these bullshit food prices are causing families to spend 3/4ths of their income on food alone. And the rest goes to electricity, so they're not pocketing anything. And people in Europe took to the streets in the thousands saying things like "we're hungry" and "the cost of life is too high". And how did the Russian revolution begin? That's right, a shortage of food. And in England they just got hit by the biggest strike wave of their history. Things like this tell me that other countries aren't so far from rebelling.

But in America it's at least 35-40 years off. We'd almost have a better shot taking america down through war, since the american citizens are nationalistic, backwards, arrogant, and brainwashed.


Agreed! 100%

i would love to believe that a Revolution could be spawned solely out of the peoples want for a better way of life and for what is morally right. But we all know that people need to be fighting for their own personal well being if they are to exert the effort to make any difference. This is a Capitalist country FULL of capitalist people and capitalism is founded on personal gain... so even if the revolt succeeded who's to say the people wouldn't just create an alternate form of capitalism in which the administrators of the revolution are in a higher place of power? in order to slay American capitalist pricks once and for all, the American public needs to be exposed to the ideals of alternate forms of government (or lack there of if you ask me), and the pro capitalist propaganda must be silenced or the entire revolt would be a waste of time and blood.
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Thu May 08, 2008 11:49 pm

Thank you guys! Most revolutionaries said that capitalism, while strong, will fall. Even Malcom X said so! He's completely brilliant I tell you!

I tried explaining to my friend that I was getting a communist military uniform but the simple act of just buying the uniform made me a cappie.

I said, "Bullshit. I'm forced to be your so-called "capitalist" because America is a capitalist society."

He obviously denied it. Rolling Eyes

My definition of capitalism: evil money hungry pricks who want things now and don't even care about the aftereffects of their surroundings

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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Wed May 28, 2008 12:20 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
My definition of capitalism: evil money hungry pricks who want things now and don't even care about the aftereffects of their surroundings

True.
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Wed May 28, 2008 12:32 am

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My definition of capitalism: evil money hungry pricks who want things now and don't even care about the aftereffects of their surroundings

Your only a capitalist if you own a buisness and employ the labor of other people or have a stake in the capitalist system.

In fact if your friend does not own a buisness he is a member of the proletariat - It has nothing to do with what you agree with or what society you live in. Class is determined by your relation to the means of production.
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PostSubject: Re: Revolution   Thu May 29, 2008 6:19 pm

inkus2000 wrote:
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My definition of capitalism: evil money hungry pricks who want things now and don't even care about the aftereffects of their surroundings

Your only a capitalist if you own a buisness and employ the labor of other people or have a stake in the capitalist system.

In fact if your friend does not own a buisness he is a member of the proletariat - It has nothing to do with what you agree with or what society you live in. Class is determined by your relation to the means of production.

Being Born into a capitalist society only makes you a slave of its Bureaucracy. being forced to use currency as meens of survival doesnt make you a capatilist. as long as you don't advocate it, your fine.
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